This all conjecture for now - we don't even know what the sample was, do we?
Shouldering that Sig Brace? Read this.
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This all conjecture for now - we don't even know what the sample was, do we?
8.5" smooth-bored firearm with a brace and maybe with a VFG. You can figure that out from the context of the letter.
So, I did some searching, and this is apparently what he submitted:
It appears he was trying to make the argument that it wasn't an AOW OR SBS because of the brace, which seems ridiculous to me. We don't have the entire submission/response, but I think they were responding to HIS argument when they got into manner of fire. Further, I think the owner is trying to drum up publicity for his product by disseminating this. I don't think this applies to ARs at all (as the letter says).
It appears he was trying to make the argument that it wasn't an AOW OR SBS because of the brace, which seems ridiculous to me. We don't have the entire submission/response, but I think they were responding to HIS argument when they got into manner of fire. Further, I think the owner is trying to drum up publicity for his product by disseminating this. I don't think this applies to ARs at all (as the letter says).
Indiana Jones
Wolverine
Nothing has changed, its all in the wording and the VFG debate. Still gonna shoulder mine.
This is an extremely common paradigm for use with AR-style firearms > 26" using VFGs already, but no one had ever explicitly asked about smooth-bored firearms. The BATFE is being consistent with their ruling on this part of the letter.
The next time someone asks about a product that uses the brace, we'll see what the ATF says about it. Personally, I think they went out of their way to add that paragraph about not shouldering the brace, and I don't think it was an accident, or the logic only applicable to smooth-bored firearms. The fact that they underlined it, too, was telling. Read the letter carefully a couple times. Some of you don't seem to have actually read the whole thing.
Like I said: continue as before, just think twice about investing further. That is all.
Waz
SHAZAM!!!
i'm trying to find someone putting a sig brace on a vz61 scorpion
Agree with everything you said, but I think the folks saying that you shouldn't shoulder an AR with a Sig Brace because of this memo need to chill out.
Indeed
The inventor of it has weighed in:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/11/robert-farago/atf-letter-is-not-the-end-of-the-sig-brace/
Now people can put away their "jump to conclusions mat".Great, so the guy who makes his money off selling the brace tells us its a-ok. Well, so we have nothing to worry then
Wojo
What's that Smell
Great, so the guy who makes his money off selling the brace tells us its a-ok. Well, so we have nothing to worry then
Almost as bad as panicking based on a post from a random internet guy on a ruling for a shotgun with a VFG *insert gratuitous emoticon here*
I'll stick with my letter that came with the brace.
The inventor said "I can keep selling this". Which is true. He said nothing about using it as a stock.
Further, two words: constructive possession.
Further, two words: constructive possession.
The letter deals with three issues, the VFG, the brace being used as a stock and carrying a shotgun concealed. As it is clearly limited in scope to the shotgun issue, he is correct that it doesn't directly apply to AR pistols. What it does hint at is that the acting director has a different take on the shouldering issue and if the sig brace comes up for another letter, it may well happen that they make a different determination that supercedes the letters everyone touting with their sig brace.
It was an interesting thread, but being that he was venturing into new waters and they clearly stopped him in his tracks, I am not worried about Sig braces for the purposes that we've been using them in. IMO his shotgun was never a pistol there for a brace designed for pistols would create a new type of firearm.
Wojo
What's that Smell
Exactly right and why the letter started the way it did referencing the longer standing ruling about vfg's
Wojo
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Wojo
What's that Smell
This article was being discussed in another thread... Posting here now...
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/11/robert-farago/atf-letter-is-not-the-end-of-the-sig-brace/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/11/robert-farago/atf-letter-is-not-the-end-of-the-sig-brace/
Waz
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story linked previously on post #109
Wojo
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Sweet... Dupe of a dupe
Waz
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