SBS'ing a VEPR 12

fred333 · Apr 28, 2015

This'd probably also fit in the NFA forum, but since I'm (presently) more concerned with performance than legalities, I thought I'd start here..

I'm ruminating over whether to SBS the VEPR. I've done a bit of research and remain confused as to whether shortening its barrel (clipping it just past the gas block) would cause function problems? The shotgun's used for home defense as well as a range toy, so I don't wanna do anything that'd make it less reliable. That said, in stock form, its a bit unwieldy in the home.

Also, depending on the conclusions drawn from SBS'ing, I might also consider suppressing it. But that's for bonus points.
Anyone with experience?

Caeb75 · Apr 28, 2015

I have a SBS Saiga 12. It is a Tromix gun with an 8 inch barrel. Not sure how similar they are, but you would be more than welcome to take a look at it.

That said, short barreled 12 guages are obnoxiously loud and throw a fireball that is almost unreal. There are a couple pics of mine being fired in the Dottrio shooting event thread that were posted by Daemon Assassin.

ST19AG_WGreymon · Apr 28, 2015

There have been a few people at http://forum.saiga-12.com/ that have SBS'd their VEPRs. I'd check there.

fred333 · Apr 28, 2015

I'll check it out. Thanks for the link.

fred333 · Apr 28, 2015

Caeb75 said:
I have a SBS Saiga 12. It is a Tromix gun with an 8 inch barrel. Not sure how similar they are, but you would be more than welcome to take a look at it.

It's essentially the same action, so they outta be similar.

That said, short barreled 12 guages are obnoxiously loud and throw a fireball that is almost unreal. There are a couple pics of mine being fired in the Dottrio shooting event thread that were posted by Daemon Assassin.

I saw that, which is one of the reasons I'm considering a silencer as well. Having to fire a shotgun indoors (in the event of an emergency) is bad enough, but firing a shotgun that's "obnoxiously loud" with a "fireball" is probably a bit of a deal-breaker. Thanks for your input.

SneakySh0rty · Apr 28, 2015

visit vepr.org there are a few members on that forum that have made theirs into SBS.

BeltBuckle · Apr 28, 2015

fred333 said:
It's essentially the same action, so they outta be similar.

I saw that, which is one of the reasons I'm considering a silencer as well. Having to fire a shotgun indoors (in the event of an emergency) is bad enough, but firing a shotgun that's "obnoxiously loud" with a "fireball" is probably a bit of a deal-breaker. Thanks for your input.

heck, to me that just makes the whole proposition even more attractive! :lol:

fred333 · Apr 30, 2015

BeltBuckle said:
heck, to me that just makes the whole proposition even more attractive!

For fun, I couldn't agree more. But in an emergency, when I'd wanna have as many of my senses in good working order as is possible, not so much.

rob-cubed · Apr 30, 2015

I'm in the same boat, very tempted to chop a folding VEPR-12 to SBS status.

When in doubt, my litmus test is military adoption. SBRs and PD weapons are of limited usefulness, SBSs even less.

Then there's the "why not" argument and the "hell yes" argument. Can't argue with those. Reliability issues can be overcome by shortening barrels, but the real question is what what problem do you want to solve by doing so?

fred333 · Apr 30, 2015

rob-cubed said:
very tempted to chop a folding VEPR-12 to SBS status.

My understanding is that a folding VEPR is prohibited in the PRM.

Whitey · Apr 30, 2015

fred333 said:
My understanding is that a folding VEPR is prohibited in the PRM.

I've heard this to, something about folding stocks on semi-autos shotties from the original AWB. To tired to look it up right now. I do know people in PA that have done it.

fred333 · Apr 30, 2015

See item 8.
Welcome to Maryland, the "free" state.

NateIU10 · Apr 30, 2015

Whitey said:
I've heard this to, something about folding stocks on semi-autos shotties from the original AWB. To tired to look it up right now. I do know people in PA that have done it.

It's a MD thing, part of the firearms safety act. Copycat weapon includes a semi automatic shotgun with folding stock. If you owned the VEPR w/ folder before 10/01/2013 I see no problem with the SBS having a folding stock, but as of now it's a no go in MD.

fred333 · Apr 30, 2015

NateIU10 said:
It's a MD thing, part of the firearms safety act. Copycat weapon includes a semi automatic shotgun with folding stock. If you owned the VEPR w/ folder before 10/01/2013 I see no problem with the SBS having a folding stock, but as of now it's a no go in MD.

Nate, from the wording on the MDSP site, it sounds like a general shotgun thing (i.e., no folding stocks on shotguns), not specific to semi-autos. But I could be wrong.

rob-cubed · May 1, 2015

Yes, as others have said post-Oct 13 folders are verboten. Luckily I got mine before then.

However if you are creating an SBS then it falls under the purview of Fed law, so features become irrelevant... yes? Just like you can still own an SBS AK with a folding stock and flash supressor... because that's regulated by Fed laws, not state?

NateIU10 · May 1, 2015

fred333 said:
Nate, from the wording on the MDSP site, it sounds like a general shotgun thing (i.e., no folding stocks on shotguns), not specific to semi-autos. But I could be wrong.

That page is full of incorrect information, unfortunately.

§ 4-301(e) Copycat weapon. -- (1) "Copycat weapon" means:
(i) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine and has any two of the following: 1. a folding stock;
2. a grenade launcher or flare launcher; or
3. a flash suppressor;
(ii) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds; (iii) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 29 inches;
(iv) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds;
(v) a semiautomatic shotgun that has a folding stock; or
(vi) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

rob-cubed said:
Yes, as others have said post-Oct 13 folders are verboten. Luckily I got mine before then.

However if you are creating an SBS then it falls under the purview of Fed law, so features become irrelevant... yes? Just like you can still own an SBS AK with a folding stock and flash supressor... because that's regulated by Fed laws, not state?

No, an SBR of a semiautomatic center fire rifle must be over 29" and have no more than one feature. The copycat state laws apply in addition to federal law.

fred333 · May 1, 2015

NateIU10 said:
That page is full of incorrect information, unfortunately.

Got it. Thanks!

Bart_man · Dec 25, 2016

Wait...Even a pre-FSA2013 shotgun WITH an SBS tax stamp STILL has to be 29"OAL? I thought the federal rules applied when it became a SBS.

protegeV · Dec 25, 2016

Caeb75 said:
I have a SBS Saiga 12. It is a Tromix gun with an 8 inch barrel. Not sure how similar they are, but you would be more than welcome to take a look at it.

That said, short barreled 12 guages are obnoxiously loud and throw a fireball that is almost unreal. There are a couple pics of mine being fired in the Dottrio shooting event thread that were posted by Daemon Assassin.

I can confirm this

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