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Montgomery County ammo restrictions
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The folks at PSA may simply be lazy. Take a quick look at the law and it's easy to find the county ordinance, since it is still on the books. You have to dig deeper to find the 1983 court decision that invalidates the ordinance. Then you have to read and understand the decision. If you don't dig and find the court decision, and only find the ordinance, you think ammo purchases are restricted in MoCo. Since MoCo's population is about 1 million, it represents less than one-third of one percent of the US population. I don't think they care about losing a potential market that is so small, or paying their lawyer to figure it out...even though we are spoon-feeding them the answer!
Why is it still on the books if it's invalid?
probably because libs hate to be slapped down.
I think we need to hear from a Maryland licensed attorney to answer this. IIRC, the county council needs to take the step to clean up the county code, to purge it of outdated ordinances and so on.
If it's not as simple as the council ordering a reconciliation of its laws, I can only compare it to the 18th amendment, which created prohibition, and the 21st amendment, that repealed it. Both amendments are in the Constitution. Adoption of the 21st amendment didn't cause the 18th to be erased. Both are still there, and you have to read everything to understand the state of the law.
I think a commerce clause complaint may be the way to go. I not sure a Bivens suit would work because of the multitude of other sources for ammo, thus no standing. I just think if a commerce clause complaint would be made, only the seller would have standing. And PSA doesn't seem to care.
daggo66
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shacklefordbanks
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- Mar 27, 2013
- 252
I agree to just go and look elsewhere for ammo. The ammoseek.com site is a good place to start, but there are many more.
However, let's not forget the assholes that price gouged us during the height of the ammo shortage.
Cheaper Than Dirt
Bulk Ammo
Lucky Gunner
The worst was Cheaper Than Dirt, but all above and some more where really bad. I'm sure others have their blacklist, but I'll never give a dime to any of these folks.
However, let's not forget the assholes that price gouged us during the height of the ammo shortage.
Cheaper Than Dirt
Bulk Ammo
Lucky Gunner
The worst was Cheaper Than Dirt, but all above and some more where really bad. I'm sure others have their blacklist, but I'll never give a dime to any of these folks.
shacklefordbanks
Active Member
- Mar 27, 2013
- 252
From the MoCo/Atlantic guns lawsuit, it reads that way back in 1972 the Maryland General Assembly fixed the illegal gun problem with strong anti-gun/public safety laws. By now Baltimore and the rest of Maryland should be safe from all those gun toting nuts that are shooting everyone. So any new laws are just going to make things better right?
Quote from lawsuit in 1984 referring to the 1972 law:
The General Assembly's declaration of policy, codified in § 36B(a), is as follows:
The General Assembly of Maryland hereby finds and declares that:
(i) There has, in recent years, been an alarming increase in the number of violent crimes perpetrated in Maryland, and a high percentage of those crimes involve the use of handguns;
(ii) The result has been a substantial increase in the number of persons killed or injured which is traceable, in large part, to the carrying of handguns on the streets and public ways by persons inclined to use them in criminal activity;
(iii) The laws currently in force have not been effective in curbing the more frequent use of handguns in perpetrating crime; and
(iv) Further regulations on the wearing, carrying, and transporting of handguns are necessary to preserve the peace and tranquility of the State and to protect the rights and liberties of its citizens.
Quote from lawsuit in 1984 referring to the 1972 law:
The General Assembly's declaration of policy, codified in § 36B(a), is as follows:
The General Assembly of Maryland hereby finds and declares that:
(i) There has, in recent years, been an alarming increase in the number of violent crimes perpetrated in Maryland, and a high percentage of those crimes involve the use of handguns;
(ii) The result has been a substantial increase in the number of persons killed or injured which is traceable, in large part, to the carrying of handguns on the streets and public ways by persons inclined to use them in criminal activity;
(iii) The laws currently in force have not been effective in curbing the more frequent use of handguns in perpetrating crime; and
(iv) Further regulations on the wearing, carrying, and transporting of handguns are necessary to preserve the peace and tranquility of the State and to protect the rights and liberties of its citizens.
ELCAM
Member
Our MoCO officials are so smart aren't they....thank god that Atlantic Guns filed that suit years ago. I love going to the downtown Silver Spring shop...right in the middle of the silver spring sprawl!!
Blacksmith101
Grumpy Old Man
- Jun 22, 2012
- 22,252
Don't forget the CMP sells ammo both commercial and surplus and the profits go to support the shooting sports through such things as the National Matches, CMP ranges, and junior programs.
Commercial ammo:
http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/catalog.aspx?pg=catalogList&cat=AMC
Commercial ammo:
http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/catalog.aspx?pg=catalogList&cat=AMC
On the political side of things MoCo is not the best place I hear. If a place restricts ammo I would bash them more than a vendor who does not want to do business there, even if a state precedent is set.
Yeah, PSA is the bad guy here?
No offense meant to anyone, just a thought.
Yeah, PSA is the bad guy here?
No offense meant to anyone, just a thought.
well that's the point. Mo Co tried but cannot t restrict ammo sales yet PSA refuses to ship here.
I'll shop elsewhere.
I'll shop elsewhere.
There may be more to the story than we know. Aren't there some companies that won't ship some items to "MD" at all. Maybe CDNN.
Amazon would not ship me a bb gun to a Crofton address so I went over to Dick's and bought it lol
Amazon would not ship me a bb gun to a Crofton address so I went over to Dick's and bought it lol
In this case I don't think so. The gun grabbers in Mont Co tried to prohibit ammo sales. The appeals court sided with the District Court in invalidating the county statute due to state preemption
MD Statute 4-209.
i don't think there is more to it than that.
just my opinion though.
MD Statute 4-209.
i don't think there is more to it than that.
just my opinion though.
ELCAM
Member
No PSA is practicing bad business....they are losing potential revenue and are therefore bad business people--that alone is reason enough to not shop from them if you wish.
My bad
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