Linberta Shotguns?

Linberta said:

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our shotguns are not made by Sarsilmaz or anybody else. Linberta is our brand and we make it . Never made re-badge ,never needed.
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Thanks for the message.

It is good to know that another company is making shotguns, so it gives customers more choice.

So where are your O/Us listed or shown?
I would be interested in comparing them to a Mossberg Silver Reserve which is also made in Turkey. (My GF has one and I have shot it some).

I find it funny reps from this company troll the internet to hype up their product and type paragraphs of word smith responses to strike down any neutral or negative comments.

No thanks, playa

Hea been hanging out in this thread for a while, I'm expecting some huge responses!

Stuntman81 said:

Gents:

I was looking at the Mossberg SA 20 and Weatherby SA 459 to have a THDS...preferably 20 GA so my wife could shoot it with less recoil...ultimately, both of these manufacturers are very reputable and interesting that both weapons are being made in Turkey. The Weatherby has a chrome lined barrell and has a ported choke with interchangeable choke tubes which are compatible with the Benelli/Beretta. However, you have to change the gas pistons for load size. The Mossberg doesn't have chromed barrel or interchangeable choke tubes, but has a single self regulating piston for all loads. I liked the fact that th linberta had all of the split options above all built into one weapon. The Linberta sounds likie a solid build, I've seen a video of the weapon fired by a BudGunsShop Range instructor and after readng a prior post above where dozens of random load sizes were used, the gun functioned flawlessly. Woud I prefer loading the gun without depressing the slide release? Yes...but ironically, the Sa 20 and the SA 459 mentioned above have the same loading process. On a side note prior to these posts, I wanted to confirm info on the gun that buds couldn't provide because it was so new...I was told to contact Linberta and sent them an email...that same day, Matt from Linberta promptly responded to me which I thought showed a lot of integrity...not once but several times before these posts existed.

Here are some details about the gun taken off of Buds (which is exclusive to Bud's and probably why other dealers have not picked it up yet.

[The gas operated semi-auto action is lightning fast ! Unlike most semi-auto shotguns, the Linberta 01LSTAC shoots all regular and higher loads without changing any parts on the gun.
The Linberta 01L series comes standard with many features normally only found on more expensive semi auto shotguns, including:


Trigger guard made of T7075 Aluminum and anodized.
Receiver made of T7075 Aluminum and anodized.
Barrels made of 4140 grade steel, drilled from solid block , honed, interior white, exterior black chromed .
Top rail specially made to fit grooved receiver to prevent any disconnection or movement when shooting.
Interior parts are specially heat treated using the same process used on top quality car parts for German cars.
Thicker internal parts and a single piece rock solid action bar for longer life.
5+1 rounds capacity (3” loads 4+1)
Interchangeable choke system (Beretta/Benelli Mobile compatible chokes), comes with muzzle brake and cylinder internal chokes.
Extra firing pin & pin spring included in each box.
2 additional pieces Shim kit for gun stock adjustment
Ghost sight rings
Sling Studs
Recoil Pad
Synthetic Stock With Vertical Pistol Grip
No plastic O’ring used. All metal and rock solid interior parts.
3 year (1 year Full+ 2 years parts ) + 10 years parts availability warranty .


Matt, you have been great and remain a gentleman with class despite some remarks which stem from ignorance. No matter how good something is, someone is always going to be the leader and someone is the follower. Also, you cannot make everyone happy...if you do not want the gun, if you've been burned, don't buy it...but do not knock what you haven't tried. For $400, I will be a leader and I plan on buying the gun - it is not the first or last gun I am going to buy...and in ten years if I cannot get parts for it, no big deal...I am sure I will be buying new weapons long before I cannot get parts for this gun.

I hope this info helps from an unbiased purchaser iperspective who has spent countless hours researcing the market to purchase such a weapon.

Safe Shooting,

Jude

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Jude ,
Thank you very much for your support. It is encouraging. We are the company not just popped up in US market. We are doing this for 3 generations and for 80 years. But i know it means nothing to people. Last week i bought 5 computers for our office people and 2 of them for me. One Toshiba desktop and one Samsung ultrabook. Believe it or not , Toshiba burned the memory and main board itself, Samsung got a problem when i plug in the charger. (They both fixed with new parts free). So can i say all Japanese (toshiba ) and Korean computers and bad and US and the Chinese are the best. This is where Turkish shotguns are today.They started with acceptable or bad quality in the beginning. But in last 10 years i can tell you we are the new leaders, not in high price range but for middle class shotguns yes clear leaders. Last year there are about 2 million shotguns sold world wide. 1 million and a bit more produced in Turkey. Hard to believe but it is true. Right now low quality shotguns are sold to Third World Countries from Turkey , but the good ones are coming to USA and Europe . Low quality means not like they don't work but cosmetics and workmanship is cheaper. Mass production to make money in short term . That shotguns may last on average 3-5 years which is not bad. But the ones coming to USA , Weatherby made by ATA shotguns Turkey, Escort-Hatsan made, Stoeger - Old Vursan bought by Beretta in Turkey - Mossbergs buys from couple pepople, S&W bought a lot, H&R ,EAA from Sarsilmaz , Tristar from Armsan , CZ from Huglu Koop., Winchester&Browning group from Istanbul (they buy parts and maybe some shotguns too) . . . in a very larger quantites. Our Shotguns made in Huglu Village in Turkey not by Huglu - CZ. There are some companies in Huglu like Huglu Koop. (CZ) , B.Huglu- Linberta, Best Huglu, Celik Huglu...etc etc. List goes on. But some of them exports to USA like Huglu Koop and Linberta by B.Huglu.
In the end Hyundai came to USA with Excell model for like $5K price. People bought it because it was cheap!. It was not good car probably, but for that price what a value!. Then people got bored with that cheap deal. But Hyundai got a name on the market that everyone heard of. Then people classified that name as a cheap car or a Toyota alternative or like used Toyota. The value was that. But Hyundai didn't stop to improve. They bought a steel plant for to make high density steel cage to their cars. Then they got good crash rates. then they improved the design, then.....But the braking point is when they believed that they make good cars they told "10 years warranty in USA!!!:" Today still no germane car or anybody can give it. That was a leverage point i think so.
Today they are considered in same or almost same class with Toyota , in my eyes better, and they now started to make a competition for Acura and Lexus by Genesis. I tested one , i loved it but i am not going to buy any Lexus or Genesis because, i still believe German cars has a better style and better workmanship and most important is $20K more price!. I am willing to pay that no matter what.
So I can tell this as an example. Linberta is like Hyundai today, Beretta is Mercedes. Both works , you feel more happy if you can effort Beretta but also you have a different satisfaction if you buy such lower priced good gun and operates flawlessly. We give 10 years parts warranty. The whole gun is $399 now with a belt. So it is all about satisfaction.
If this gun satisfies the value than i think we did a good job. One quick note, if anyone wonders,all shotguns are about to be sold out from the first importation, we are bringing the second one in couple days to USA.
I got so many emails from the rep groups , dealers, people ... Dealers who transferred the gun, they also wanted to buy for their stores. So for me this is a good indicator that we are doing a good job.
Thanks to all who gives a chance to us ...

We have the over unders in our warehouse. But we are preparing manuals and taking some pictures and making some business plans for them. in like 15 days we will put them online. I will post updates here..

blackthorne said:

So, post #1 and you start off by assuming doubters are simply ignorant. That's just great. So you will be a leader and buy a gun. Sorry, but I'm not buying that BS. I don't think you are any more of a shooter or any more knowledgable than Matt. You are not just some random guy. My best quess is that you are an employee or confidant of Linberta. That's a very sneaky, yet obvious ploy. Jude? Yeah right, and unbiased to boot.

Matt didn't understand the turnip truck question, so I'll say that nobody on this site fell off the back of a tunip truck last night. I'll assume that you don't understand that either.

Nobody buys the extra firing pin only because it's a generous free gift. If that part wasn't prone to breakage, an extra one would not be in the box. That "free" answer was, IMO, dishonest.

The answer about wood quality was pretty funny coming from a manufacturer. I have never seen any manufacturer refer to wood quality as "very very good". What grade is that? Utility, semi fancy, fancy, extra fancy, exhibition, X, XX, XXX?

How about the warranty? One year on the gun, two years on parts and parts will be available for ten. What happens after ten, assuming the thing lasts that long? I guess you throw it away and buy another one. Looks like the same warranty I got with the last toaster I bought. Sounds like a disposable product rather than what the American Sportsman is accustomed to.

It's not a comfort to know that these guns will go only 5000 rounds or even 10,000. At that rate, I would have to buy seven or eight of them to make it one year. For less than what it would cost to buy eight headaches, I could buy one lifetime gun that will go several hundred thousand rounds.

The only ways a gun will survive and thrive in the American market is for it to proove itself through longevity, without breakage, used with success by many shooters and endorsed by shooters of note, not by some flunky on a website who knows not of which he speaks.

Having said this, I understand that Matt has a job to do. However, whatever marketing training you and he may have, utterly failed on me. My Bull$hit meter is in the red zone. If I worked for Linberta, I would rethink responding to forums and let my product speak for itself, if it can.

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Mr.Blackthorne ,
About the wood standard wood we put no 1.5 and 2 . Not the poorest ones . All Turkish walnut. For you to evalute these numbers no 5 is exhibition grade in Turkey we tell it no 5 and 5 plus. So the wood we use is acceptable or better. We may call it semi fancy maybe according to US translation. Some of them comes fancy. We choose better ones for USA .
I came to USA when i was 16. Last 20 years which i am 35 now, i worked for my family business and studied. I believe i have pretty good knowledge about US market and buyer profile. I know i can't make you happy with my product , but i gave a good example from the cars in my other post. Also i know so many other options are out there too.
If you are worried to pay $399 and use it 10 years without problem and having parts available warranty, and asking what happens after 10 is a question that shows me your point of view. And i understand immediately that why Coca Cola can't sell to everybody in the world. No matter what some people will not buy. This is the free economy, this is why i love USA. This is why i believe we will be successful. Because some people will only buy high end shotguns but some will buy from us. Since US is so big that part who will buy from us will make us a big company and we will make them happy.
We put extra firing pin for someone may need it in the middle of the duck game , can change it immediately and continue. Don't worry high end guns also brakes firing pins too. PLease talk with someone who went to Argentine duck hunting and shot couple thousand rounds.
My honest guess is our shotguns are ok to shoot over 70 K rounds with no pin change maybe over 100K .We are selling these for long years and we got firing pin request in range of less than one in a thousand guns or even less , hard to calculate...

Linberta said:

We are doing this for 3 generations and for 80 years. But i know it means nothing to people.

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Actually, it means a lot. This simple statement is very telling. If you've been doing this for 80 years, AND you have made such fantastic firearms for very little money, then we'd have heard of your company long before a couple posts on a forum you've never participated in before.

PapiBarcelona said:

I find it funny reps from this company troll the internet to hype up their product and type paragraphs of word smith responses to strike down any neutral or negative comments.

No thanks, playa

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I am not a rep, we are owners of the company. We take care of people ourselves, since we are starting the business.
We also have reps on the road... You are free to think or buy , or not to buy this is a free economy. If there is a negative comment we read it first and take notes to correct our products or services. But there is an offensive comment instead then we reply to it of course. You may have an idea to share we pay attention otherwise we can only give information so much for those who wants to take it seriously.
I am writing it here because google is listing these informative talks and other people from other side of the country can read and learn about this subject. Part of a job.

Linberta said:

I am not a rep, we are owners of the company. We take care of people ourselves, since we are starting the business.
We also have reps on the road... You are free to think or buy , or not to buy this is a free economy. If there is a negative comment we read it first and take notes to correct our products or services. But there is an offensive comment instead then we reply to it of course. You may have an idea to share we pay attention otherwise we can only give information so much for those who wants to take it seriously.
I am writing it here because google is listing these informative talks and other people from other side of the country can read and learn about this subject. Part of a job.

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If our opinion matters so much, and you are so confident in your wares, then why don't you send a couple of guns for members of this forum to test? I'm not even suggesting me. Give one to Blackthorne and maybe 1 or 2 others to evaluate. Arrange for an FFL to transfer them to the tester and they will return it when done (like the magazine authors do).

Hell, if they like your guns as much as you claim they will, I'll buy 2 of them. But I'm skeptical of someone who has trolled this thread for days marketing a "new company" that's been around for "80 years and 3 generations" who also makes the best economy shotgun to come out of Turkey. Sorry, I've had Turkish guns before, and I've not been impressed with single one of 'em. If your products were that good and you've been around for that long we would have heard about you.

We always made shotguns for big companies for last 15 years range. Let me give you one example, we made Gazelle Arms over under shotguns for Century arms . We worked with EAA, Tristar arms,and others that i can't disclose here too much. Now it is time to bring our own brand to life. Since i am living in USA for sometime , it took time to establish warehouse and distribution centers, branding , planning etc etc. This doesn't happen in a day of course. To make a shotgun for a big shot is easy for us , we make it in Turkey and ship it to USA. Now Linberta has a different approach. We are establishing our own distribution US wide. We have so many dealers and people in our database. %90 of USA is covered but shipments are not started yet. In one year hope fully you will hear about us much more. We have other exciting deals coming in. ...
So we are not popped up in 1-2 years. I am exporting to USA since around 1998 regularly.
Here one of the shotguns we made for Century Arms maybe like 10 years ago for you as a proof. http://www.sportingclays.net/forums/thread.cfm?threadid=171&messages=6
I was young and very passionate. I am still passionate about my business. But i am now more professional after some years . But that days had its own value for me , i had less knowledge about anything ... I was bout 25's that days... These are some good memories for me to see the point we reached today. I am working minimum 12 hours a day and 7 days on computer and for 20 years. I also did many things a side like education etc. Over all it turned pretty good for me after trying so much. This is a little proof about us who we are. Not another new kid on the block anymore, or not fallen from a turnip truck

tss1004 said:

If our opinion matters so much, and you are so confident of your wares, then why don't you send a couple of guns for members of this forum to test? I'm not even suggesting me. Give one to Blackthorne and maybe 1 or 2 others to evaluate. Arrange for an FFL to transfer them to the tester and they will return it when done (like the magazine authors do).

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They can always buy one and test. Buds has full refund warranty and i will pay the cost of return. If i start to give free guns to everybody wants , we end up giving hundreds right now. So many people writing to us with a big interest.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=287673027 this is the gun we made for century arms years ago. Still on the market and in good condition.

Look what he says : "It was imported by Century Arms, but they did not work on it. If you google Gazelle Shotguns you can find people who have them on various forums, the president of the co. in turkey even got on some of the chat forums, one of the reasons i bought it, was if i had questions i could contact the president of the co. via email. Anyway great gun. "
Thanks to this guy , he mentioned it in explanation. SO i am not a rep as you see to sell guns here...

Professional-grade sales, marketing, and tact are key parts of building any successful business. Just one of my random thoughts.

The fact that you've had an extensive relationship with Century is not a good thing, just FYI.

I have had two of your shotguns then. I owned 2 Gazelles. What a flop that company was. They sucked, and as a matter of fact the firing pin broke on the one that I did shoot (coincidence?). The receiver was wearing prematurely, it was temperamental ejecting, I really hated that gun. I sold them both a couple of years ago. I wouldn't trust anyone that made that Gazelle and is launching a new line, not a chance.

Redcobra said:

So where are your O/Us listed or shown?
I would be interested in comparing them to a Mossberg Silver Reserve which is also made in Turkey. (My GF has one and I have shot it some).

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I can clearly state here, our shotguns are much better than Mossberg any O&U from Turkey. Our O&U shotguns are the only steel frame ones weighs just below 7 lbs and shoots all kinds of ammo all day including magnum loads.
Also our O&U shotguns are using same technology named by others "backbored" , which is a little larger diameter in the barrel for a perfect grouping .
Ours is comparable to high ends with 1/3 price. You will see when they are on sale. I am not advertising, just informing. We can only produce 100 a month now. We make them very carefully and the price is not going to be super low. We try to keep the price as CZ O&U's ...

tss1004 said:

The fact that you've had an extensive relationship with Century is not a good thing, just FYI.

I have had two of your shotguns then. I owned 2 Gazelles. What a flop that company was. They sucked, and as a matter of fact the firing pin broke on the one that I did shoot (coincidence?). The receiver was wearing prematurely, it was temperamental ejecting, I really hated that gun. I sold them both a couple of years ago. I wouldn't trust anyone that made that Gazelle and is launching a new line, not a chance.

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That was not directly us , and was 10 years ago. 99% of our Gazelle owners are happy. We produced O&U under Gazelle name. We didn't own it. They might get some guns from others under same name too. Our O&U shotguns as you in forums are excellent quality.

I know Century Arms for a long time. But I can tell you these days they are doing quality business. They implemented a new software in their warehouse as i heard, also if you look they have some nice quality US made rifles, Turkish pistols and some good items. They are not that bad as you talk about them .
So i assume you bought not our production. We only made double trigger models and your guns were single triggers which from a company who makes Mossberg's today probably . So we are clear now that we make a good gun. Please check the forum i sent a link 10 years ago what people talks about us. We never made an ejector gun that time for anybody. Gazelle is not our name brand. We are Linberta from Huglu Village Turkey.

I've been watching this pretty closely. Both TSS and Blackthorne have made some very valid points.

What bothers me is the "snake oil salesman" approach of the company. There is no admission of anything unappealing. Even Remington will admit there have been some blunders once in a while.

august1410 said:

I've been watching this pretty closely. Both TSS and Blackthorne have made some very valid points.

What bothers me is the "snake oil salesman" approach of the company. There is no admission of anything unappealing. Even Remington will admit there have been some blunders once in a while.

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I am not a salesman, i am a Managing director of the company. I spent time here to inform people. We didn't make any mistake and why should i accept it when there is nobody complaining about our products? If there is in the future that someone needs a service and repair and complaint then yes we are here to help. Remington made million guns probably and they also may made some mistakes who knows , i saw on the news .I am giving the link. So no matter you are big or small, there is not much room for a mistake these days.