Name that Mystery Revolver

Bertfish · Apr 11, 2014

My Dad just sent me these pictures. Looks like someone he knows has a revolver that he can't identify. I've never seen the markings on this pistol before and I can't make out the "Made In" up near the hammer on the receiver. It looks like a S&W.

Anyone care to speculate?

august1410 · Apr 11, 2014

What does it say in that logo? I can't make it out.

Bertfish · Apr 11, 2014

Best I can make out is JL AP MS AMMUNITION

Bertfish · Apr 11, 2014

More details:

first picture has the shield with J L G and to left has Made in Spain also has 32 long ctg stamped on barrel also in shield has ARMS AMUNITION

bikerbankr · Apr 11, 2014

JLG = J L Galef (the shield and helmet indicates this as well)

Spanish copy of a S & W.

Bertfish · Apr 11, 2014

I thought it looked like a S&W but the markings were very different

RoadDawg · Apr 11, 2014

It looks like a copy of the S&W Victory Revolver.
The pin that is seen just below the cylinder release looks very familiar. It is smaller than the pin on the victory. But the fact that it's there makes it appear to be a close copy.

http://www.coolgunsite.com/pistols/victory_model_smith_and_wesson.htm

ken792 · Apr 11, 2014

Spanish clone of the S&W Military & Police revolver. These were made in large numbers and imported in the interwar period. This is what prompted S&W to mark their revolvers with "Trade Mark" and "Marcas Registradas." The cheapo clones were flooding both the US and Latin American market and S&W wanted it to be made known that theirs were the genuine article.

The qualities of these clones vary greatly. Some rival S&W in fit and finish, while others are pieces of crap that are loose and wear out quickly. Make sure yours is safe to fire. I've read that some can take S&W parts with only minor fitting, while others are only clones in design and will require a lot fitting to take S&W parts.

Mark75H · Apr 11, 2014

And there were a bunch of factories in northern Spain making this kind of copy and copies of many other guns. Some were only in business for a short time before being bought out or moving. It might be hard to figure out which one actually made this.

StantonCree · Apr 11, 2014

Spanish Victory copy.

ofofhy · Apr 11, 2014

ken792 said:
This is what prompted S&W to mark their revolvers with "Trade Mark" and "Marcas Registradas."

I had always wondered about that since it seemed to really pre-date our "bilingual" society of today.

ken792 · Apr 11, 2014

BTW, that's not too exact of an S&W clone. Look at the cylinder notches. It locks up by the hand pushing the cylinder against the bolt. A real S&W (and most of the clones I've seen) lock up with the bolt only.

Also, Victory Model refers to a specific variant of the M&P.

RoadDawg · Apr 11, 2014

ken792 said:
BTW, that's not too exact of an S&W clone. Look at the cylinder notches. It locks up by the hand pushing the cylinder against the bolt. A real S&W (and most of the clones I've seen) lock up with the bolt only.

Also, Victory Model refers to a specific variant of the M&P.

A clone need not be exact in it's methods of operation to fool many who would not know the difference. See my prior post for more information on the Victory revolvers. I actually own one and it is a great piece of history.

http://www.coolgunsite.com/pistols/victory_model_smith_and_wesson.htm

somd_mustangs · Apr 11, 2014

Based on the proof marks it was probably made in 1927 (the "Hope" symbol and "A" date code).

Biggfoot44 · Apr 12, 2014

The preak period of the Spanish knockoffs predated the Victory Model per se. But then the Victories were essentially standard M&P's with parkerized finish and lanyard loop.

Yes in that era S&W's were huge in Latin America , to the point that " Smith & Wesson " was nearly a generic term for handgun , like "ColtL was earlier in US .

Like Ken792 said some you hand to look closely to see they weren't actual S&W , others were sort of vaguely inspired.

zoostation · Apr 12, 2014

I checked my local news media gun guide. It's a Glock.

RoadDawg · Apr 12, 2014

zoostation said:
I checked my local news media gun guide. It's a Glock.

That's G-lock... Sheeesh :shrug:

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