- Feb 19, 2013
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I've been to NRA class where not only live ammo was there, but one in the chamber.
Didn't say that it was a"law" but it's about safety. Live ammo in a class room environment is a big No No where I come from. How many times after seen an Instructor cook off a round in the classroom without thinking. I mainly teach beginners so safety is highly stressed and as an Instructor I set the example. Go so far that when firearms are in the class room they are cleared by two Instructors and No live ammo is allowed, bright plastic dummy rounds only. Now with that said once everybody is cleared to go to live fire then off to the range where safety is number one again. Chris
Of course. This is also our policy for beginner and NRA classes. I was just clarifying. That it is policy and not law.
And for the record I'm not a fan of the policy. If someone comes to one of these classes and is a permit holder I am very uncomfortable disarming them (or myself for that matter) but we do it.
Major inconsistencies in what one Trooper says vs another? None of them seem to know the law or how it's applied regarding wear/carry permits? Permit holders are never really sure if they carrying within the constraints of their restrictions?
Yup, sounds about right.
On my last renewal I brought up the QHI angle to the MSP. I was told I could not use my instructor status for the permit since I am able to wear a pistol for a training class already at a range or while doing a class. I was told Md is not a proactive state but a reactive state.
If things have changed I would be happy to add this to my permit, I would see it as a unrestricted restriction. As I explained to the MSP, if I instruct and deny someone a passing certification for a permit, they already have a pistol and would probably be upset. I was told it wasn't a good enough reason.
Would love to know the answer, but like most things I don't think anyone has one lol
TD
Major inconsistencies in what one Trooper says vs another? None of them seem to know the law or how it's applied regarding wear/carry permits? Permit holders are never really sure if they carrying within the constraints of their restrictions?
Yup, sounds about right.
I think the fact that you are on a public list puts you at more risk than the possibility of flunking a student. The MSP policy asks why are at greater "apprehended danger" than an average citizen.
Let them deny or restrict you and take it to the review board; that's where the real final say is.
Prerequisites for this?
The pre-req is NRA Basic Pistol. You have to take the class before you can take the class to instruct the class.
Thanks, kinda figured that.....
I'm schedule to train (8 hr renewal) later this month. So sick of the hoop jumping.
Actually, the NRA Basic courses are not pre-req's for the NRA Basic Instructor Training (BIT) course, or the Pistol, Rifle, or Shotgun Instructor courses. The instructr candidate DOES have to pre-qualify however, and be accepted by the adminstering NRA Training Counselor.
For more info: http://training.nra.org/instructors/become-an-instructor.aspx
My point is that taking the basic curse is not required by the NRA.True, the TC may set their own pre-req ... but most commonly the class the candidate is learning to teach is set as a pre-req.
exactly, and if the MSP wants to roll you up they will. a decent lawyer on tap is a must.
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I think the fact that you are on a public list puts you at more risk than the possibility of flunking a student. The MSP policy asks why are at greater "apprehended danger" than an average citizen.
Let them deny or restrict you and take it to the review board; that's where the real final say is.
Wow hadn't thought of that, list of instructors could be used by bad guys go single out people.
TD
For those of you who have gone through the process, are there any buzz words that should be on the application beyond stating that you are a Maryland QHI? Do you have to provide proof of having taught x number firearm classes? And was the approval straight up or did you have to go through the appeal route?
Thanks in advance for any information that can be provided.
Exactly ... and its specific, not "general"
It's also something to consider before applying to be an HQL instructor
This is not the way the MSP sees it as per one instructor. As with every other restriction I would be willing to bet that Knaub won't put that in writing.
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Of course. This is also our policy for beginner and NRA classes. I was just clarifying. That it is policy and not law.
And for the record I'm not a fan of the policy. If someone comes to one of these classes and is a permit holder I am very uncomfortable disarming them (or myself for that matter) but we do it.