HANDGUN QUALIFICATION LICENSE (HQL)

wesser1 · Aug 15, 2013

abean4187 said:
Plan C is to give up my guns and accept being a victim. The days of honor are dead in this nation. If worse comes to worse this nation will hand over their guns just like the people of Britain and Australia did.

I sincerely doubt that will happen without great loss of innocent lives. There are many people in this country that swear by the "cold dead hands" mantra, and will not give up their firearms while they're breathing.

Kelson1066 · Aug 15, 2013

abean4187 said:
Plan C is to give up my guns and accept being a victim. The days of honor are dead in this nation. If worse comes to worse this nation will hand over their guns just like the people of Britain and Australia did.

I think I'll go with become one of the criminal element because I refuse to be a victim. Hell the 2nd amendment is there for that reason when necessary to defend against tyranny. There is sufficient evidence in both Britain and Australia that the criminal element will NOT give up their guns and at that point the "law abiding citizens" become the prey for those who never cared to follow the rules in the first place.

Brooklyn · Aug 15, 2013

abean4187 said:
Plan C is to give up my guns and accept being a victim. The days of honor are dead in this nation. If worse comes to worse this nation will hand over their guns just like the people of Britain and Australia did.

Mine is a constutional convention. I have a plan d and e and f as well. But I think c will keep us busy for a while.. like the rest of my life. Consider joining my plan c....

dblas · Aug 15, 2013

shubin6 said:
Rent? so I need a HQL to rent handguns in a range after Oct. 1st?

The definition of "rent" in the legislation is off premises. So using a range provided firearm at the range that provided it, for a fee, is still OK and does not require an HQL.

dblas · Aug 15, 2013

Hatter said:
I have a question I did not find an answer for in a quick search.

What will be the new law for someone out of state renting a gun in Maryland? I often have co-workers from out of town stuck here on the weekends, and once in a while we decide to go shooting at one of the ranges that rents.

Not an issue, no HQL required to use a range provided firearm at that range.

ShallNotInfringe · Aug 15, 2013

ShallNotInfringe said:
Rent is defined in the law.

“Rent” means the temporary transfer for consideration of a regulated firearm that is taken from the property of the owner of the regulated firearm.

bshedwick said:
Also, from what I have heard, "renting" at a range to only use at that time at that range does not constitute renting. Renting only applies to taking off premises (as is related to this law).

Anyone have info to the contrary?

Note "taken from the property of the owner".

AJRB · Aug 16, 2013

http://www.mdsp.org/Organization/Su...ion/Firearms/HandgunQualificationLicense.aspx

http://www.mdsp.org/Organization/Su...ingDivision/UnderConstruction/Automation.aspx

http://www.mdsp.org/Organization/Su...ion/Training/HandgunQualificationLicense.aspx

This is the most detailed info on the new automated system, and the HQL, I have found yet.

"The funding for this project is grant-based, and the project is currently awaiting an award decision."

ofofhy · Aug 16, 2013

abean4187 said:
The real issue that if/when this becomes constitutional, the other gun grabber states will follow suit and most likely make the licensing procedure worse. Once that happens we might as well kiss any new people goodbye from the gun community as no one is going to jump through all these hoops.

Other states already have similar licenses. MA has a a firearms identification card (FID). I believe the licensing process includes fingerprinting, safety classes, and shooting proficiency. My cousin recently went through it. You even need one to purchase ammo there. Plus you have to wait for MA compliant firearms.,

Mr H · Aug 16, 2013

AJRB said:
http://www.mdsp.org/Organization/Su...ion/Firearms/HandgunQualificationLicense.aspx

http://www.mdsp.org/Organization/Su...ingDivision/UnderConstruction/Automation.aspx

http://www.mdsp.org/Organization/Su...ion/Training/HandgunQualificationLicense.aspx

This is the most detailed info on the new automated system, and the HQL, I have found yet.

"The funding for this project is grant-based, and the project is currently awaiting an award decision."

FYI... those links are rife with inaccuracies. I would not rely on them.

dgapilot · Aug 16, 2013

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed on other threads but I since this thread is about the HQL, does an FFL03 holder (C&R) that is a MD resident need to have an HQL after Oct 1 to receive C&R handguns in an interstate transfer?

dblas · Aug 16, 2013

dgapilot said:
I'm pretty sure this has been discussed on other threads but I since this thread is about the HQL, does an FFL03 holder (C&R) that is a MD resident need to have an HQL after Oct 1 to receive C&R handguns in an interstate transfer?

NO..That is one of the HQL exemptions in the legislation.

The only thing you have to worry about with C&Rs is the copy cat test for "assault" style centerfire rifles.

ddeanjohnson · Aug 16, 2013

dgapilot said:
I'm pretty sure this has been discussed on other threads but I since this thread is about the HQL, does an FFL03 holder (C&R) that is a MD resident need to have an HQL after Oct 1 to receive C&R handguns in an interstate transfer?

Acquisition of handguns that are classified as either "antique" or "curio and relic" under federal law are explicitly and completely exempted from the requirement for a HQL. Please hear this: This has NOTHING TO DO with whether or not the purchaser of such a handgun has a C&R license or not. It has nothing to do with whether the purchase is by interstate transfer or intrastate transfer. Even a first-time gun purchaser may purchase an "antique" or "C&R" handgun without possessing the HQL. But all previous requirements continue to apply, with respect to waiting periods, the Roster, and all of the rest.

Everybody who wants to see this exemption eliminated should be sure to make a big fuss about it.

AJRB · Aug 16, 2013

mr h said:
FYI... those links are rife with inaccuracies. I would not rely on them.

I don't doubt it one bit haha but would you mind elaborating for everyone the errors you found?

Mr H · Aug 16, 2013

They've been documented in bits and pieces in other threads, but as I'm not really focused here right now (ballgame, paying bills...), I'll try and pull something together tomorrow if I get some time.

dblas · Aug 16, 2013

AJRB said:
I don't doubt it one bit haha but would you mind elaborating for everyone the errors you found?

If you have read the legislation, the errors, omissions, and misdirections are plain as day.

If you haven't read the legislation, here is a link to the signed/final version: http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2013RS/Chapters_noln/CH_427_sb0281e.pdf

Mr H · Aug 16, 2013

It's all I can do to keep from (mis)quoting John Conyers........

Pinecone · Aug 17, 2013

shubin6 said:
Rent? so I need a HQL to rent handguns in a range after Oct. 1st?

NO.

Rental has been defined as leaving the premises for the purpose of requiring a HQL.

Discussed several times here.

Pinecone · Aug 17, 2013

ofofhy said:
Other states already have similar licenses. MA has a a firearms identification card (FID). I believe the licensing process includes fingerprinting, safety classes, and shooting proficiency. My cousin recently went through it. You even need one to purchase ammo there. Plus you have to wait for MA compliant firearms.,

They have had that for at least 40 years.

And like CCW in MD, the granting of FID is NOT mandatory. It is granted by the local LE. A college buddy could not get one (from Boston area) as his city was against issuing them, but the next town over was more like shall issue.

He changed his residency to MD.

So there ARE worst places for 2A than MD.

AJRB · Aug 17, 2013

dblas said:
If you have read the legislation, the errors, omissions, and misdirections are plain as day.

If you haven't read the legislation, here is a link to the signed/final version: http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2013RS/Chapters_noln/CH_427_sb0281e.pdf

Sure I have read it, but many have not, which is why I asked for more details, for those that have not. You have to realize correct or not this is the info that is online for people to find, and if we do not point out in detail these errors, omissions and misdirections, people will see it and take it for face value and believe it as fact. When I went searching online for info regarding the HQL, one of the first things I came to was MDSP site. Thank you for posting the final version for folks that haven't seen it yet. It would be really awesome if there were a place online people could go to pull up accurate info on the HQL without having to read 60+ pages

Vile Shadow · Aug 17, 2013

abean4187 said:
Plan C is to give up my guns and accept being a victim.

You can. I won't.

The days of honor are dead in this nation.

I like to think not, and I'm just jaded by being born and raised here.

If worse comes to worse this nation will hand over their guns just like the people of Britain and Australia did.

Don't count on it. It was tried before. The battles of Lexington and Concord were the result.

This time it might read, The Battles of Rockville and Upper Marlboro.

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