So we just got this in a couple hours ago. I have determined it was made by a guy/company named "Pieper". Apparently Steyr was affiliated with them at some point however there are no Steyr markings on the gun. There are Belgian proof marks including "depose". Its chambered in 25. I looked up Pieper but no model that I have found is like it. The barrel is not a break top. It also came with the pictured coin purse and the German registration papers (from 1919). Its in excellent condition and even has two mags. Can you guys tell me anything about it? Value? Thanks
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Calengor
wishes he were spike
This page may be of some help: http://www.littlegun.be/arme belge/artisans identifies p/a pieper nicolas gb.htm
Calengor
wishes he were spike
Oh, and déposé means copyrighted in french, apparently.
Easytarget18
Señor Member
- Aug 19, 2011
- 298
Pictures are really dark...However based on your reference to Pieper, I would say you mean Nicholas Pieper, and you might be looking at a Steyr 1909. I will look more into it when I get home and can get to my references. I will give you a value as well once I can confirm.
somd_mustangs
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- Jul 1, 2012
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Interesting. Design looks similar to the FN 1899/1900.
The logo on grips looks like the old FN logo?
What led you to Pieper?
It's not a Steyr 1909, which is a tip-up and slab-sided.
The logo on grips looks like the old FN logo?
What led you to Pieper?
It's not a Steyr 1909, which is a tip-up and slab-sided.
The grip is a P over an N which lead me Pieper. There are markings on the top of the barrel which I can sort of make out Pieper but they're almost obliterated. Like it was double or triple stamped. Some of the Pieper guns look really similar, but have the break/tilt barrels. This one is fixed.
The Steyr 1909 is really similar, but the barrel still breaks open and the rear sight set up if very different. Clearly part of the same family though.
Looks to be a model 1907, per this great source of information on vest pocket pistols:
http://www.vestpockets.bauli.at
Select "Archive" from the list at the upper left, then search for Pieper.
Bryan
http://www.vestpockets.bauli.at
Select "Archive" from the list at the upper left, then search for Pieper.
Bryan
somd_mustangs
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- Jul 1, 2012
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Gotcha.
This isn't it, but you might contact him (nice guy - Kristopher Gasior)
It may be the production version of this pistol?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=434829677
This isn't it, but you might contact him (nice guy - Kristopher Gasior)
It may be the production version of this pistol?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=434829677
somd_mustangs
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- Jul 1, 2012
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Great link - thanks! added to my reference bookmarks
BTW - a private (?) handgun registration for 1919 in Germany would probably be a pretty rare thing given the times. Worth checking into it further. people go ape over this kind of provenance.
Easytarget18
Señor Member
- Aug 19, 2011
- 298
Great link! As pointed out by somd_mustangs, I was wrong (hang my head in shame). I don't have references that cover that pistol, however if you come up with a price
You got it boss. Thats it. Ours doesnt have a lever but I looked it up and found this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3XNCuRUXg0 which is the same gun. Mucho appreciado!
Great link - thanks! added to my reference bookmarks
BTW - a private (?) handgun registration for 1919 in Germany would probably be a pretty rare thing given the times. Worth checking into it further. people go ape over this kind of provenance.
We looked into and spent probably an hour translating it. So apparently in 1919 all guns we prohibited, but somehow this guy got a permit. It appears its only to keep in his house and was issued by local authorities. We think we even found his grave on a European ancestry.com-esque website. Pretty cool.
EDIT: Also, the box that the whole package came in had "Hamburg - 1936" written on it in pencil. Im thinking whoever brought it here to the US bought it off the family of Georg Hagemeyer once he died in 1929, and then labeled the box when he left Nazi Germany.
CasualObserver
Who Observes the Observer
I love the coin purse.... great fashion accessory.
somd_mustangs
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- Jul 1, 2012
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Yes, that is truly awesome! Maybe he was "somebody" to be able to finesse that permit.
BossmanPJ
Ultimate Member
Very nice piece. Do you have a price on it yet?
No idea what its worth boss
Machodoc
Old Guy
I've got a strong suspicion that it was carried by the wife of "somebody," based upon the style. What a great ruse. Can you imagine someone holding up a woman, demanding her money, and she lifts just the top of that purse out of a larger handbag?
