SB281 Guns FAQ

Jakedasnake said:

IMHO, as told by MSP previously, you can do ANYTHING YOU WANT with a weapon purchased prior to Oct 1st!!! I've stated this before.

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Pinecone said:

Except that currently MSP has told the BATFE that NO semi auto centerfire SBR can be made out of ANY lower, that is less than 29" long. Doesn't matter pre-Oct 1 lower or post-Oct 1 lower.



So ALL Form 1s and Form 4s for semi auto centerfire SBRs MUST be over 29" or they will be disapproved by BATFE. Check the threads in the NFA section.

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Pinecone said:

Except that currently MSP has told the BATFE that NO semi auto centerfire SBR can be made out of ANY lower, that is less than 29" long. Doesn't matter pre-Oct 1 lower or post-Oct 1 lower.

So ALL Form 1s and Form 4s for semi auto centerfire SBRs MUST be over 29" or they will be disapproved by BATFE. Check the threads in the NFA section.

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Jakedasnake said:

Welp! Don't care again. I have all four of my Tax stamps in hand. Got'em in July, so don't care who does what. All mine are legit, legal, okeydokey, over and out.


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Wayne1one said:

I stand corrected, but the remainder of my statement is still true. Either way no one on these forums knows what you can do pre 10/1 as it relates to AR15 rifle builds. The main question that needs to be asked is what is considered manufacturing. Is merely switching a lower manufacturing? Being that the lower is the firearm I think not, but that is merely opinion on my part. I would suggest that when some one poses a question on this topic people respond: Ask MSP, no one knows, your guess is as good as mine, or even we are still trying to figure that one out. But giving an answer one way or another on this topic is probably not the best idea and will lead to hundreds of pages of debate, what ifs, and are you willing to bet your freedom comments. That is all..............

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Pinecone said:

The point is, MSP is treating putting together a firearm as manufacturing it at that point.

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Pinecone said:

Their stand on SBRs. Any SBR that is made now, has to be a minimum of 29" long to comply with the copycat requirements.

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Wayne1one said:

SBRs are considered pistols therefor have to be on the roster. SBR barrels don't have to be HBARs (correct?) all things are not created equal with these two. So I wouldn't use that as the tell all be all, since this is not an apples to apples comparison. As said I know this to be speculation and conjure until MSP gives an opinion. I just wish folks would just come out and just say they don't know, and stop warning people of something that they're not even sure about.

When you get a link I am here....................

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That opinion may not arrive at least until after the election, when the MSP finds out who's bidding they will be doing next.

Wayne1one said:

SBRs are considered pistols therefor have to be on the roster. SBR barrels don't have to be HBARs (correct?) all things are not created equal with these two. So I wouldn't use that as the tell all be all, since this is not an apples to apples comparison. As said I know this to be speculation and conjure until MSP gives an opinion. I just wish folks would just come out and just say they don't know, and stop warning people of something that they're not even sure about.

When you get a link I am here....................

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swinokur said:

And if the MSP can say a legally possessed pre Oct 1 lower made into a banned configuration ( SBR < 29" in OAL) after 10-1, what's stopping them from also saying a legally possessed pre 10-1 lower with an HBAR upper and then made into a now banned M4 configuration after 10-1 is also not illegal? Not probable I'd agree but....

Call me a skeptic, but as stated, do what you like.

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swinokur said:

Well some have posted that putting an M4 upper on an HBAR lower after 10-1 is ok. I don't know. But the pre 10-1 lower you possessed couldn't be made into a copycat configuration after 10-1 according to MSP's ruling on SBR's. . So is MSP saying the legally possessed lower is only part of the firearm? I see the wisdom of some guys saying this and assembling a complete banned firearm prior to 10-1. The thing then gets grandfathered because it was legally complete and possessed before 10-1?

I know this is semantics but this is what happens when laws that are poorly written and rushed into legislation are allowed.

Obviously you should do what is comfortable for you.

Bottom line is just because you own a pre Oct 1, lower doesn't mean it can be built into a now banned configuration, at least the way I'm reading MSP's guidance on SBR's. They're now apply the copycat OAL rule to all lowers, regardless of purchase date. BATFE even kicked back my Form 4 ona 30" SBR from a lower I purchased June 2013. They wanted a purchase receipt.

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Pinecone said:

I agree with this position.

But, up to the individual how they want to do things. I will send cookies to them in prison, if required.

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ARRobert said:

I have looked through this entire thread and no one has really asked about AR modifications that might make them legal? For example, if you take a banned AR15, remove the gas system, and cover the gas port, the gun is no longer semiauto. It could be charged manually like a bolt action. Does that make it legal or is it still a banned AR15 based on the lower? How permanent would the modifications need to be? Thoughts?
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