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Patrick · Apr 15, 2012

gmhowell said:
I also bet that if enough people went with the administrative appeal, at least some people would win by dint of the timeframe allowed. No idea what kind of 'win' this would be, but it would be interesting. And a ddos on the board would be good for a laugh.

That would imply they provided a 'service' to being with.

Beth Cawood · Apr 15, 2012

I submitted my application on 3/6 (after the ruling, but before the stay). I have gotten no such letter yet. I suppose I probably will. Anyone have any thoughts on whether it would be better to take legal action now, or to wait until after Judge Legg rules on the stay pending appeal (the last of the briefs that he ordered on that issue is due 5/23)?

swinokur · Apr 15, 2012

I doubt you will get one. It appears anyone who applied before 3-30 (date of stay) will not get a letter, MSP is sitting on those from what we can see.

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Smagel · Apr 15, 2012

Steve973 said:
...we're not going to get what we want by the review board that is conducting business as usual after the stay was issued. We simply have to wait for the appeals to run their course. Hopefully there will only be one appeal and we will be victorious.

It would be beneficial for at least one person to take the non-denial denial letter to the review board just to see how it responds and to get that on the record. How will they react to the MSP not adhering to COMAR?

As Patrick noted, they might just say you're not eligible for appeal since your application hasn't been acted upon. Then you take it back to MSP and they refuse to act; a classic catch-22 and one I'm sure the courts will have a lot of fun with if that's the outcome.

So, it's important that somebody take that letter to the review board. I also think that it's important that someone re-submit saying, no, really process my application per your regulations, even if it means a denial. Again, this would be to document their response for future action. I'd do either of these if I were in a position to do so, but I'm not.

MRA · Apr 15, 2012

IANAL - I believe that because of their position, the members of the review board could be listed in legal action and possibly risk penalties, including fines. I'm not sure how far down the leadership of MSP could also be held accountable. This might affect their decisions when it gets right down to the bottom line. They all need to be very careful but that also means we need diligent and follow process to the letter.

Mark75H · Apr 15, 2012

MRA said:
IANAL - I believe that because of their position, the members of the review board could be listed in legal action and possibly risk penalties, including fines. I'm not sure how far down the leadership of MSP could also be held accountable. This might affect their decisions when it gets right down to the bottom line. They all need to be very careful but that also means we need diligent and follow process to the letter.

How far down? That's simple, everyone who touches it has the cheese touch.

FNH High Power · Apr 15, 2012

Has anyone heard of any pre-stay applications having any further action taken on them? I know of 1 who's app is pre-stay, and he listed me as a reference. I haven't gotten any phone calls about it yet.

Shouldn't these applications be in a state of being processed? They were submitted when G&S was out of the picture (albeit temporarily). It would be interesting to see if MSP would be granting, denying, or granting with limitations and for what reason(s).

BUFF7MM · Apr 15, 2012

richkeller said:
Has anyone heard of any pre-stay applications having any further action taken on them? I know of 1 who's app is pre-stay, and he listed me as a reference. I haven't gotten any phone calls about it yet.

Shouldn't these applications be in a state of being processed? They were submitted when G&S was out of the picture (albeit temporarily). It would be interesting to see if MSP would be granting, denying, or granting with limitations and for what reason(s).

My application was received march 14th, check cashed around the 20th and I nor my references haven't heard a peep.

Mr H · Apr 15, 2012

richkeller said:
Has anyone heard of any pre-stay applications having any further action taken on them? I know of 1 who's app is pre-stay, and he listed me as a reference. I haven't gotten any phone calls about it yet.

Shouldn't these applications be in a state of being processed? They were submitted when G&S was out of the picture (albeit temporarily). It would be interesting to see if MSP would be granting, denying, or granting with limitations and for what reason(s).

Those are being tracked in a couple other threads.

But, in short, over the past week since last Monday's assault on the Assembly

, calls have resumed, and FTF interviews are being scheduled... all on pre-stay applications, best we can tell.

MJD438 · Apr 15, 2012

Buff7mm said:
My application was received march 14th, check cashed around the 20th and I nor my references haven't heard a peep.

Similar here in HoCo - app received on 19MAR, check cashed on 20MAR, no contact as of yet beyond the CJIS "all-clear" letter.

Inigoes · Apr 15, 2012

Buff7mm said:
My application was received march 14th, check cashed around the 20th and I nor my references haven't heard a peep.

MJD438 said:
Similar here in HoCo - app received on 19MAR, check cashed on 20MAR, no contact as of yet beyond the CJIS "all-clear" letter.

Add more in Saint Marys County (All that I know about, have not been contacted).

PJDiesel · Apr 15, 2012

Inigoes said:
Add more in Saint Marys County (All that I know about, have not been contacted).

Same for Cecil Co. I've asked several times if ANYONE up this way has been contacted, have yet to hear about a single person from Cecil getting a call (self included obviously).

Nice to know there is some kind of consistency to this process.

navycraig · Apr 15, 2012

Inigoes said:
Add more in Saint Marys County (All that I know about, have not been contacted).

I'm in St. Mary's, applied post decision, pre stay. Check cashed, I was called and interviewed over the phone, my wife was called and asked some questions and at least one of my three references were called. I have heard nothing further so I assume that my phone interview was taken as a substitute for the FTF interview.

FNH High Power · Apr 15, 2012

PJDiesel said:
Same for Cecil Co. I've asked several times if ANYONE up this way has been contacted, have yet to hear about a single person from Cecil getting a call (self included obviously).

Nice to know there is some kind of consistency to this process.

That reminds me a a term we used in paramedic class, regularly irregular.

So this would then be .....consistantly inconsistant.

Or would it be inconsistantly consistant?

PJDiesel · Apr 15, 2012

richkeller said:
That reminds me a a term we used in paramedic class, regularly irregular.

So this would then be .....consistantly inconsistant.

Or would it be inconsistantly consistant?

It's consistent bullschit, that much I can can clearly see on my own. I'm actually growing tired of hearing people make excuses for the MSP at this point. This is only as difficult as they make it. There is NO sense in some people being contacted with 72 hours of turning their apps in while others are sitting at (and over) 30 days now (that were submitted EARLIER than those already interviewed)

Inigoes · Apr 15, 2012

navycraig said:
I'm in St. Mary's, applied post decision, pre stay. Check cashed, I was called and interviewed over the phone, my wife was called and asked some questions and at least one of my three references were called. I have heard nothing further so I assume that my phone interview was taken as a substitute for the FTF interview.

That's encouraging

I'm post-decision, pre-stay myself as well as the others. Maybe we'll be the last contacted because we squeaked in before the temporary stay.

BUFF7MM · Apr 15, 2012

PJDiesel said:
It's consistent bullschit, that much I can can clearly see on my own. I'm actually growing tired of hearing people make excuses for the MSP at this point. This is only as difficult as they make it. There is NO sense in some people being contacted with 72 hours of turning their apps in while others are sitting at (and over) 30 days now (that were submitted EARLIER than those already interviewed)

The troopers up my way are to busy rounding up chicken thieves and rounding up stray cows to be dealing with such trivial stuff. :innocent0

Just kidding, I'm sure they will get to them before to long.

hvymax · Apr 15, 2012

esqappellate said:
A returned app cuz of G&S is a denied app cuz of G&S. As a matter of law the MSP may not refuse to process. That would be the argument.

PJDiesel said:
It's consistent bullschit, that much I can can clearly see on my own. I'm actually growing tired of hearing people make excuses for the MSP at this point. This is only as difficult as they make it. There is NO sense in some people being contacted with 72 hours of turning their apps in while others are sitting at (and over) 30 days now (that were submitted EARLIER than those already interviewed)

If they cashed your check they cannot screw with you. Post stay they can put their fingers in their ears and yell La La La La.

INMY01TA · Apr 15, 2012

Buff7mm said:
My application was received march 14th, check cashed around the 20th and I nor my references haven't heard a peep.

Me neither. My check was cashed pre stay and I've heard nothing.

yellowsled · Apr 15, 2012

hvymax said:
If they cashed your check they cannot screw with you. Post stay they can put their fingers in their ears and yell La La La La.

I was prestay and I have not heard anything at all.

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