buying Long Guns out of state.

MichaelTech · Feb 21, 2013

As a newer \Maryland Resident I never bought Long Guns being a resident of Maryland all purchases were while I was resident of other states. I live on the MD, PA, And DE boarder so I have close access to out of state shops

So I am trying trying to figure things out.

I know that you can go out of state to buy long guns

I was also told by an FFL that If I purchase out of state a magazine higher than 20 rds I can legally own it in state as a Maryland resident. Can others confirm this is correct?

I also know that some FFLs in other states won't sell out of state , misinterpret the MD laws and won't sell even if legal so I know that.

So what hangs me up is the deal between Assualt Rifle and Other rifles and If I buy a Rifle out of state from an FFL Cash and Carry what can I or cant I buy with long guns.

I was looking at a Rugger 10/22 Tactical. I don't think that comes under an assault rifle but it does come with a 25 RD magazine. So predicated on the fact that if an FFL out of state will sell it to me Cash and Carry Can I buy a Ruger 10/22 tactical and legally posses it in MD?

Also with buying long Rifles out of state what are the limits? I just read a post from Mark392001 about the AR-15 being back in stock at the York Walmart, So does that mean that I can buy any Long rifle including Assault as a Cash and Carry out of state (provided the FFL will sell it to me) and bring it back in state? Do I have to register it then? What about Private sales?

Thanks

Michael

chale127 · Feb 21, 2013

MichaelTech said:
As a newer \Maryland Resident I never bought Long Guns being a resident of Maryland all purchases were while I was resident of other states. I live on the MD, PA, And DE boarder so I have close access to out of state shops

So I am trying trying to figure things out.

I know that you can go out of state to buy long guns

I was also told by an FFL that If I purchase out of state a magazine higher than 20 rds I can legally own it in state as a Maryland resident. Can others confirm this is correct?

Correct as long as you purchase it out of state and bring it back in with you

MichaelTech said:
I also know that some FFLs in other states won't sell out of state , misinterpret the MD laws and won't sell even if legal so I know that.

So what hangs me up is the deal between Assualt Rifle and Other rifles and If I buy a Rifle out of state from an FFL Cash and Carry what can I or cant I buy with long guns.

I was looking at a Rugger 10/22 Tactical. I don't think that comes under an assault rifle but it does come with a 25 RD magazine. So predicated on the fact that if an FFL out of state will sell it to me Cash and Carry Can I buy a Ruger 10/22 tactical and legally posses it in MD?

You should be Good to go

MichaelTech said:
Also with buying long Rifles out of state what are the limits? I just read a post from Mark392001 about the AR-15 being back in stock at the York Walmart, So does that mean that I can buy any Long rifle including Assault as a Cash and Carry out of state (provided the FFL will sell it to me) and bring it back in state? Do I have to register it then? What about Private sales?

Thanks

Michael

If it is a REGULATED firearm (MOST AR platforms with the exception of HBAR's and some of the .22 platforms) you MUST have that FFL ship it you a MD FFL

rob-cubed · Feb 21, 2013

MichaelTech said:
I was also told by an FFL that If I purchase out of state a magazine higher than 20 rds I can legally own it in state as a Maryland resident. Can others confirm this is correct?

Yes, mags can't be bought or transferred in-state but you are allowed to own them. Outside of MD the 20+ restriction doesn't apply to purchases.

MichaelTech said:
I was looking at a Rugger 10/22 Tactical. I don't think that comes under an assault rifle but it does come with a 25 RD magazine. So predicated on the fact that if an FFL out of state will sell it to me Cash and Carry Can I buy a Ruger 10/22 tactical and legally posses it in MD?

Gansler issued a letter last year that stated any .22s, even copies of a regulated long guns, are not "assault weapons". A rare moment of good common sense. So you can buy the Tactical out of state and bring it back.

Any regulated firearm like an AR-15 MUST go through an FFL.

MDGolom · Feb 21, 2013

rob-cubed said:
Gura issued a letter last year that stated any .22s, even copies of a regulated long guns, are not "assault weapons". A rare moment of good common sense. So you can buy the Tactical out of state and bring it back.

With that being said, it's a gamble whether an out of state FFL will sell you something that they believe to be regulated. Case in point, I was at the York show a couple of years ago and wanted to buy an S&W M&P 15-22 which is not regulated. Two FFLs turned me down and a third one sold it to me. I also had to convince an FFL at the Chantilly show that the Sig 522 wasn't regulated. People have had mixed results out of state.

lx1x · Feb 21, 2013

MDGolom said:
With that being said, it's a gamble whether an out of state FFL will sell you something that they believe to be regulated. Case in point, I was at the York show a couple of years ago and wanted to buy an S&W M&P 15-22 which is not regulated. Two FFLs turned me down and a third one sold it to me. I also had to convince an FFL at the Chantilly show that the Sig 522 wasn't regulated. People have had mixed results out of state.

in that case.. they are just trying to be in "safe" side. it's their license so let it be. just move to the next ffl that knows the laws.

kalister1 · Feb 21, 2013

The law requires the sale to be legal in BOTH States. So some out of State FFL's will not take a chance on Maryland law, they are not sure and decide not to find out. Just deal with the FFL's that know the law of BOTH States.

Markp · Feb 21, 2013

chale127 said:
If it is a REGULATED firearm (All AR platforms with the exception of HBAR's and some of the .22 platforms) you MUST have that FFL ship it you a MD FFL

Really Chale127?

Care to recant that... Is the AR-10 regulated, what about the AR-57, how about an blowback AR in 9mm, what about a piston driven AR-15?

No, none of them are regulated, because they are NOT AR-15's, they may be cosmetically similar, but an AR-15 is a .223 rifle, none of the above are regulated.

So please don't state so confidently that all other AR derivatives are regulated, because they are not.

chale127 · Feb 21, 2013

Markp said:
Really Chale127?

Care to recant that... Is the AR-10 regulated, what about the AR-57, how about an blowback AR in 9mm, what about a piston driven AR-15?

No, none of them are regulated, because they are NOT AR-15's, they may be cosmetically similar, but an AR-15 is a .223 rifle, none of the above are regulated.

So please don't state so confidently that all other AR derivatives are regulated, because they are not.

I stand corrected, but i dare you to find one at Walmart as the OP indicated

Fixed it...happy now?

Mark75H · Feb 21, 2013

That I know of, Walmart is not the arbiter of MD law

MichaelTech · Feb 21, 2013

Thanks for the info.

I am not really in the market for an AR but I saw the one post about the person mentioning an AR at Walmart in York and I did not know to what degree he was mentioning that to MD shooters when looking here so it was kind of related to my question and wanted it clarified

I had thought anything that is on Maryland's AR list has to be done instate, either bought through an in state FFL or if purchased out of state shipped to a Maryland FFL, like Hands Guns.

Thanks

swinokur · Feb 21, 2013

rob-cubed said:
Gura issued a letter last year that stated any .22s, even copies of a regulated long guns, are not "assault weapons". A rare moment of good common sense. So you can buy the Tactical out of state and bring it back.

Any regulated firearm like an AR-15 MUST go through an FFL.

Gura? Do you mean Gansler?

rob-cubed · Feb 21, 2013

swinokur said:
Gura? Do you mean Gansler?

D'oh. Confused the G-men again. Thanks for the correction.

Here's a link to the original post and his opinion is attached... it probably won't dissuade an FFL otherwise unwilling to sell a rifle to a Marylander, but it's all above board.
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=37863

Pinecone · Feb 21, 2013

I have had out of state FFLs refuse to sell me a bolt action rifle when they found out I lived in MD.

I have seen FFLs decide not to sell to ANYONE out of their own state.

highwayheat · Feb 21, 2013

Go see Curtis at Thunderstick Enterprise in Fawn Grove, PA. He is the owner and a resident of MD. I have purchased two cash and carry bolt action rifles from him and a regulated pistol. He knows the laws of both states and will steer you in the right direction. He and his staff have top notch customer service too.

frdfandc · Feb 21, 2013

highwayheat said:
Go see Curtis at Thunderstick Enterprise in Fawn Grove, PA. He is the owner and a resident of MD. I have purchased two cash and carry bolt action rifles from him and a regulated pistol. He knows the laws of both states and will steer you in the right direction. He and his staff have top notch customer service too.

I second this. I've purchased 2 handguns and an AR-15 (HBAR). He knows the laws of MD and PA.

And if you do purchase a regulated firearm from him, he deals with Cooters Classic Firearms. Curtis from Cooters is a Class A guy.

damifinowfish · Feb 21, 2013

Pinecone said:
I have had out of state FFLs refuse to sell me a bolt action rifle when they found out I lived in MD.

I have seen FFLs decide not to sell to ANYONE out of their own state.

Its all about CYA Cover Your A$$

These dealers have a lot of laws they must follow in their home state let along trying to keep current on other states laws. They have the right to refuse the sell of a firearm to anyone they do not want to.

gdubyacobb · Feb 21, 2013

When I still lived in MD, I bought a Colt HBAR in Arizona after having the gun shop call multiple gun shops in MD to confirm.
WalMart's in Arizona have big graphics behind the gun counter listing what can be sold to people from each state.
Arizona law is anything legal in your state is legal for sale. But not all states operate that way.
I also know that Gander Mtn in Roanoke won't sell to anyone that isn't from VA.
That's all I have to add.

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ebbhead1973 · Jul 9, 2014

online Hbar?

A friend wants to buy an HBAR on line and have it shipped to a FFL in MD, but the couple of dealers he talked to said they refused to accept the transfer. Is there a law either, for a citizen to be able to do this, or them to be able to deny the transfer. How else would one be able to purchase a firearm on line and have it shipped, if FFL's refuse ?
He has a clean unmarked record and nothing that would not allow him to be able to purchase a firearm.

swinokur · Jul 9, 2014

Some FFL's will not accept a transfer on a firearm they can sell you themselves.

Kinda like going to a restaurant with your own food and asking them to cook it. It's up to the FFL. They cannot be compelled to accept a transfer.

IANAL.

chale127 · Jul 9, 2014

swinokur said:
Some FFL's will not accept a transfer on a firearm they can sell you themselves.

Kinda like going to a restaurant with your own food and asking them to cook it. It's up to the FFL. They cannot be compelled to accept a transfer.

IANAL.

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