HPRB August 18, 2015 Meeting Thread

LCPIWB · Aug 7, 2015

Just going to straight up plagiarize the following text from dblas for the next meeting of the secret squirrel.

This is for discussion and possible planning purposes.

6776 Reisterstown Road (South tower entrance) Central Hiring Unit Conference Room (first floor) Baltimore, Md., 21215

Map of the HPRB Meeting Site can be found here...(unless the Board votes to change it)

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=50

dblas · Aug 8, 2015

LCPIWB said:
Just going to straight up plagiarize the following text from dblas for the next meeting of the secret squirrel.

This is for discussion and possible planning purposes.

6776 Reisterstown Road (South tower entrance) Central Hiring Unit Conference Room (first floor) Baltimore, Md., 21215

Map of the HPRB Meeting Site can be found here...(unless the Board votes to change it)

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=50

montoya32 · Aug 8, 2015

I will attempt to update with an agenda and any "minutes" if I can get the admin to turn them over.

Audio streaming will be available during this meeting and should be of a much better quality than last time.

LCPIWB · Aug 12, 2015

Was going to check on the website to see if a new board member was announced or posted.
But found a different surprise.

Look to the right, meeting minutes.
www.dpscs.state.md.us/agencies/hprb.shtml

swinokur · Aug 12, 2015

wow you guys ARE making a difference.

Applehd · Aug 12, 2015

Yeah... but according to some, permits should be falling from the sky like gumdrops from Heaven by now... right?

LoneRanger · Aug 12, 2015

Applehd said:
Yeah... but according to some, permits should be falling from the sky like gumdrops from Heaven by now... right?

But at least you will be able to attend a purtie meeting after your application is denied....assuming you don't get assaulted in the parking lot....

Schipperke · Aug 12, 2015

LCPIWB said:
Was going to check on the website to see if a new board member was announced or posted.
But found a different surprise.

Look to the right, meeting minutes.
www.dpscs.state.md.us/agencies/hprb.shtml

They should get a rubber stamp with "denied" to save on writers cramp in those minutes.. :rolleyes:

44man · Aug 12, 2015

I call this progress, however small, but still progress.

now if they can tell us the outcome of the votes in a timely fashion, that would be great. I understand keeping the voting secret but since the outcome of the msp is listed I see no reason that they cant list the outcomes of the board meetings also, without names of course.

ironpony · Aug 12, 2015

Applehd said:
Yeah... but according to some, permits should be falling from the sky like gumdrops from Heaven by now... right?

Actually I believe, and as heard from many others, most MD'ers do not apply given the fact it is so difficult to obtain a permit even with restrictions so there are few gumdrops to fall. It is like buying a $500 lottery ticket you have to stand in line for 8 hrs to get.
Time will tell, good work all!

mxrider · Aug 12, 2015

44man said:
I call this progress, however small, but still progress.

now if they can tell us the outcome of the votes in a timely fashion, that would be great. I understand keeping the voting secret but since the outcome of the msp is listed I see no reason that they cant list the outcomes of the board meetings also, without names of course.

The fact that they specifically state that the votes in closed session are to remain confidential could be an issue with OMA. Need to look into that further. I agree that they should not list names, but THINK they are required to publish their votes.

LoneRanger · Aug 12, 2015

mxrider said:
The fact that they specifically state that the votes in closed session are to remain confidential could be an issue with OMA. Need to look into that further. I agree that they should not list names, but THINK they are required to publish their votes.

See page 4 of the PDF.....they are in compliance with the OMA.....

mxrider · Aug 12, 2015

LoneRanger said:
See page 4 of the PDF.....they are in compliance with the OMA.....

Just because they state that it is to remain confidential does not mean they are in compliance. I'm not saying they aren't, but I think that they are not. As I stated, I am having this looked into further.

mxrider · Aug 12, 2015

It's also of note, while petty and minor, that they have posted minutes of a meeting without the board approving them

Bertfish · Aug 12, 2015

ironpony said:
Actually I believe, and as heard from many others, most MD'ers do not apply given the fact it is so difficult to obtain a permit even with restrictions so there are few gumdrops to fall. It is like buying a $500 lottery ticket you have to stand in line for 8 hrs to get.
Time will tell, good work all!

That's what keeps me from applying. I know having more applications would possibly take away one of their talking points but spending the time, effort, and money on a certain denial (at this point) just isn't in the cards for me.

mxrider · Aug 12, 2015

From the OMA website:

§3–103.
(a) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section and § 3–104 of this
subtitle, this title does not apply to:
(1) a public body when it is carrying out:
(i) an administrative function;
(ii) a judicial function; or
(iii) a quasi–judicial function; or
(2) a chance encounter, a social gathering, or any other occasion that is
not intended to circumvent this title.
(b) This title applies to a public body when it is meeting to consider:
(1) granting a license or permit; or
(2) a special exception, variance, conditional use, or zoning
classification, the enforcement of any zoning law or regulation, or any other zoning
matter.
§3–104.
If a public body recesses an open session to carry out an administrative function
in a meeting that is not open to the public, the minutes for the public body’s next
meeting shall include:
(1) a statement of the date, time, place, and persons present at the
administrative function meeting; and
(2) a phrase or sentence identifying the subject matter discussed at the
administrative function meeting.

Based on the above, it appears that when they are meeting to:
1. Granting a license or permit

That this should be open to the public and not in a closed session.....

Link to the full pdf:

http://www.oag.state.md.us/Opengov/Openmeetings/10_1_14_OPEN_MEETINGS_ACT.pdf

CharlieFoxtrot · Aug 12, 2015

I agree with MXRider. The law requires that the votes should be in public and on the record.

mxrider · Aug 12, 2015

CharlieFoxtrot said:
I agree with MXRider. The law requires that the votes should be in public and on the record.

I have a lawyer agreeing with my analysis? WOOT! :party29:

cad68m_m · Aug 12, 2015

And this is the first time to our knowledge that the minutes have ever been kept, or posted, so another incremental improvement.

dblas · Aug 12, 2015

Baby steps folks, baby steps.

We crawl before we walk, and we walk before we run.

Good job to anyone and everyone that has shown up at even one meeting, or provided support for this.

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