clandestine
AR-15 Savant
This is a stainless steel barrel, not chrome lined.
Same thing IMO when it comes to the subject.
This is a stainless steel barrel, not chrome lined.
I did it with one rifle. I don't know if it made a difference or not.
LMAO...Ed Shell............... mere mortals are paging you, Ed Shell.......muster at silver cloud 9........
Is there any other way?Shoot it and when the fouling is bad clean it.
More discussion below on what it is supposed to accomplish, but much of the lore does indeed border on magical, especially the promise of greater barrel life (as you blow wasted rounds down the tube).All those biblical numbers. Sounds like magical thinking to me. This should be easy enough to check with two barrels from the same batch.
What is this frequent cleaning early on supposed to accomplish ? Its the shooting that smoothes out the machining marks, not the cleaning.
This is the theory. The practicality is that these scary-ass burrs will be gone by the time you take it out a few times anyway.As I understand it - and I may be completely wrong - is that the "recommended" procedure is because etching the rifling in the barrel causes small deposits of metal to be left behind and tiny burrs remain on the edges. Shooting the rifle breaks off tiny portions of the burrs and cleaning removes the metal. This is why the cleaning cycles get further and further apart the more you shoot it as the deposits are being scrubbed and washed away.
This is also my opinion.In my opinion, this is a huge waste of time, money and effort.
This is where we would part ways. I have yet to see a good rifle shoot better as it gets worn. If a rifle doesn't shoot well immediately, there is usually something wrong and I don't usually see it get any better.Just shoot the damned thing. In time, you will notice your groups improving. It's not like you expect it to be able to give a copper suppository to a gnat at 200 yards out of the box to begin with.
This^^Shoot it. Enjoy it. Have fun and clean it when you get home.
Ugh.Kenny Jarrett popularized the technique recommended cleaning after every 1 for 20 then every 5 for the next 80; so you will be in for more than an afternoon. His new rifles come broken in and he has 2 employees who do only that, but in the old days you had to do it yourself.
True, but every barrel maker likes to sell barrels.Every barrel manufacture has a break in recommendation .
Between the peening and the burrs, I could toss and turn all night.The theory is not that it smooths the barrel but that it prevents copper from laying down unevenly in the yet unsmoothed barrel. Removing that copper as the barrel under goes peening by the bullets yields a barrel that won't have uneven accumulation of copper and will foul less.
While I don't believe there is overt dishonesty here, it sure doesn't hurt to play it safe, LOL.The opposing theory by Gale McMillan is that in the world of benchrest, where barrels are thrown away after 1000 rounds or less, it uses up 10% of the barrel life so the gun maker can sell more barrels.
Yup, but what do they know? I mean, they've only been doing this custom match barrel thing for how long?Hart does not believe in it at all.
<grin> Hate to say it's a waste, but hate to not say anything...Pac Nor is the least onerous at just 3 rounds.
Best answer EVER.Shilen 55 They admit they have a break in procedure because customers expected them to have one.
Damn, hope they don't find out about MY new Krieger...it's a .300 WinMag with 50 rounds through it and I was thinking I'd clean it next week whether it needs it or not.Krieger 12 for stainless 28 for chrome moly
Your Remington bore is probably internally threaded by the factory and broaches material from the bullets as they go. This would quit if you stopped trying to keep it clean, but how would we know?I have never had a Jarrett rifle nor broken one in more than 25 shots. I do have a factory rem 700 in 338 WM that fouls copper and powder like a sob. I did not break it in at all.
How could you tell if it didn't?I've done the break in with any rifle I want to be super accurate. It has worked for me, so far.
I'd agree that they will sometimes seem to foul less as they are used, but never to the point of making any of these convoluted break-in procedures attractive or even logical.OP, In my experience, accuracy is not degraded. Cleaning effort may be easier if the break in procedure is followed but, every barrel is different.
Yes, they generally are, and I am always a little surprised to see how nice a new tube looks when I get it. I have a Hawkeye bore scope and love it. The things I have learned about cleaning, fouling, machine work and even break-in procedures have made the purchase price a bargain.Match grade barrels should be far more smooth and uniform than standard production barrels due to the lapping procedure used by precision barrel makers.
Uh oh, I smell trouble...I will not be following the manufacturer's procedure.
Waste of time, and you're more likely to damage the bore or crown with overzealous cleaning.
I don't agree with both you and ed, But as always I am just a DA welder so what do I know.
But I ain't gonna argue about it..
What's a brush?Waste of time, and you're more likely to damage the bore or crown with overzealous cleaning.Sure back when cleaning rods were sectional and made of steel and cheap steel core brushes were being used.
But with today's all brass brushes and non metallic cleaning rods I don't agree with you at all.
There is nothing DA about you...give it up, you know as much about this stuff as any of us.I don't agree with both you and ed, But as always I am just a DA welder so what do I know.
But I ain't gonna argue about it..I dont think you are a dumb @ss. My experience has shown me barrel seasoning and break in is pointless.
PM inbound, or I can meet you at your thread.Ed, if you have a few minutes. I'd love to pick your brain some on some things with my .260Rem.