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  • JMintzer

    Hoarding Douche Waffle
    Mar 17, 2009
    6,298
    SW MoCo/Free FL (when I can)
    All I could think of are those oh-so-smarmy shotgun snots at the Isaak Walton trap/skeet range with the cutesy little leather fobs on their "golf shoes" for resting the shotgun muzzle. THAT would be a little messier, I'm sure.


    Wow! Somebody has some anger issues...:rolleyes:

    You are aware that the folks who use those fobs use them within a broken open O/U or SxS, right? Not a chance in hell of a negligent discharge...

    And who the phuck wears "golf shoes" to the range? Never seen it...


    Jamie
     

    Jstevens56

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 9, 2012
    1,295
    Somewhere in Merryland
    My cousin got a BB shot into his hand when he was cleaning a BB gun he thought wasn't loaded. He couldn't get surgery to have it removed since it was so close to his tendons so he still has it in his hand after 5+ years. You can feel it move around a little if you press on it. Lol
     

    normbal

    Ultimate Member
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    May 2, 2011
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    socialist occupied maryland
    My cousin got a BB shot into his hand when he was cleaning a BB gun he thought wasn't loaded. He couldn't get surgery to have it removed since it was so close to his tendons so he still has it in his hand after 5+ years. You can feel it move around a little if you press on it. Lol

    When I worked ER in Baltimore several years ago, I was amazed, endlessly, by the number of young urban american youths (aka gangbangers) who would come in still carrying bullets from drive-bys of years gone by. I'd find these in necks, backs, legs, scalps and they'd all say the same thing "the doctor said it won't hurt nothin' to leave 'em be."

    Truth. I had a patient come into my clinic one morning, a WW2 vet who had overwintered at Bastogne, with a bullet in a dixie cup. He'd coughed it up that morning. Said he couldn't remember being shot, but had a stitch in his side after one firefight. Looked like an 8mm slug to me. Chest X-Rays looked good, even got him a CT to make sure no scar tissue or anything was there.

    He was fine.
     

    lx1x

    Peanut Gallery
    Apr 19, 2009
    26,992
    Maryland
    When I worked ER in Baltimore several years ago, I was amazed, endlessly, by the number of young urban american youths (aka gangbangers) who would come in still carrying bullets from drive-bys of years gone by. I'd find these in necks, backs, legs, scalps and they'd all say the same thing "the doctor said it won't hurt nothin' to leave 'em be."

    Truth. I had a patient come into my clinic one morning, a WW2 vet who had overwintered at Bastogne, with a bullet in a dixie cup. He'd coughed it up that morning. Said he couldn't remember being shot, but had a stitch in his side after one firefight. Looked like an 8mm slug to me. Chest X-Rays looked good, even got him a CT to make sure no scar tissue or anything was there.

    He was fine.

    how about lead? wouldnt it be bad? if left for long time?
     

    teratos

    My hair is amazing
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    Jan 22, 2009
    59,775
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    lx1x said:
    how about lead? wouldnt it be bad? if left for long time?

    Not really. It doesn't get absorbed well. If a bullet isn't near anything vital, it is best to leave it alone.
     

    normbal

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    how about lead? wouldnt it be bad? if left for long time?

    Did a quick lit search and segued into some other areas.

    Search terms "copper toxicity in humans"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_in_health

    Search for "Bullet toxicity"

    Lead toxicity in a 14 year old girl with retained bullet FRAGMENTS:

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/117/1/227.full

    Lead levels in patients with retained bullets (from the preceding article):
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11371848?dopt=Abstract
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10192672?dopt=Abstract

    and et cetera.


    It's going to be a very tough thing to quantify. A reasonable course of action would be to get a baseline BLL (Blood Lead Level, which should be zero), and, depending upon the amount of lead assumed, retest every couple of years.

    Thing about elemental lead is, it is very insoluble in water and many body tissues. A solitary 9mm slug for example, FMJ with exposed bottom would have a very small spot of lead "visible" to the immune system and body chemistry. The exposed surface area would oxidize and create a boundary layer which will/can/usually impede(s) further absorption. Tissue fibroblasts surround most foreign bodies, even of low biological reactivity/immunogenicity, encysting said objects which further limit the material's exposure, etc.

    Cases mentioned in most of the online articles (from trauma, medicine, pediatrics, medline.com and elsewhere) make it clear that lead particles in the body MAY lead to toxicity depending on, much like the rules of real estate, location, location, location.

    Lead exposure on hands by reloaders doesn't lead directly to elevated BLLs. I've been casting bullets for decades - don't shoot indoors unless it's with FMJ/TMJ slugs - and my last level a couple years back was zero. YMMV.

    Gets even MORE interesting when looking at rifle and shotgun ranges and the presence of lead in soil and groundwater/runoff. It's virtually undetectable. Not a problem. But that hasn't stopped the EPA under certain political regimes from fudging the numbers and declaring that since lead is toxic, they're closing one range or another. But that's another topic for another area of the board, I'm sure.
     

    lx1x

    Peanut Gallery
    Apr 19, 2009
    26,992
    Maryland
    Did a quick lit search and segued into some other areas.

    Search terms "copper toxicity in humans"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_in_health

    Search for "Bullet toxicity"

    Lead toxicity in a 14 year old girl with retained bullet FRAGMENTS:

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/117/1/227.full

    Lead levels in patients with retained bullets (from the preceding article):
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11371848?dopt=Abstract
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10192672?dopt=Abstract

    and et cetera.


    It's going to be a very tough thing to quantify. A reasonable course of action would be to get a baseline BLL (Blood Lead Level, which should be zero), and, depending upon the amount of lead assumed, retest every couple of years.

    Thing about elemental lead is, it is very insoluble in water and many body tissues. A solitary 9mm slug for example, FMJ with exposed bottom would have a very small spot of lead "visible" to the immune system and body chemistry. The exposed surface area would oxidize and create a boundary layer which will/can/usually impede(s) further absorption. Tissue fibroblasts surround most foreign bodies, even of low biological reactivity/immunogenicity, encysting said objects which further limit the material's exposure, etc.

    Cases mentioned in most of the online articles (from trauma, medicine, pediatrics, medline.com and elsewhere) make it clear that lead particles in the body MAY lead to toxicity depending on, much like the rules of real estate, location, location, location.

    Lead exposure on hands by reloaders doesn't lead directly to elevated BLLs. I've been casting bullets for decades - don't shoot indoors unless it's with FMJ/TMJ slugs - and my last level a couple years back was zero. YMMV.

    Gets even MORE interesting when looking at rifle and shotgun ranges and the presence of lead in soil and groundwater/runoff. It's virtually undetectable. Not a problem. But that hasn't stopped the EPA under certain political regimes from fudging the numbers and declaring that since lead is toxic, they're closing one range or another. But that's another topic for another area of the board, I'm sure.


    thanks! learned something new.. ;)
     

    krashmania

    Still dont know anything
    Feb 6, 2011
    2,927
    churchville
    Did a quick lit search and segued into some other areas.

    Search terms "copper toxicity in humans"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_in_health

    Search for "Bullet toxicity"

    Lead toxicity in a 14 year old girl with retained bullet FRAGMENTS:

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/117/1/227.full

    Lead levels in patients with retained bullets (from the preceding article):
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11371848?dopt=Abstract
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10192672?dopt=Abstract

    and et cetera.


    It's going to be a very tough thing to quantify. A reasonable course of action would be to get a baseline BLL (Blood Lead Level, which should be zero), and, depending upon the amount of lead assumed, retest every couple of years.

    Thing about elemental lead is, it is very insoluble in water and many body tissues. A solitary 9mm slug for example, FMJ with exposed bottom would have a very small spot of lead "visible" to the immune system and body chemistry. The exposed surface area would oxidize and create a boundary layer which will/can/usually impede(s) further absorption. Tissue fibroblasts surround most foreign bodies, even of low biological reactivity/immunogenicity, encysting said objects which further limit the material's exposure, etc.

    Cases mentioned in most of the online articles (from trauma, medicine, pediatrics, medline.com and elsewhere) make it clear that lead particles in the body MAY lead to toxicity depending on, much like the rules of real estate, location, location, location.

    Lead exposure on hands by reloaders doesn't lead directly to elevated BLLs. I've been casting bullets for decades - don't shoot indoors unless it's with FMJ/TMJ slugs - and my last level a couple years back was zero. YMMV.

    Gets even MORE interesting when looking at rifle and shotgun ranges and the presence of lead in soil and groundwater/runoff. It's virtually undetectable. Not a problem. But that hasn't stopped the EPA under certain political regimes from fudging the numbers and declaring that since lead is toxic, they're closing one range or another. But that's another topic for another area of the board, I'm sure.

    wow, that was exceptionally informative. Thank you.
     

    Threeband

    The M1 Does My Talking
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 30, 2006
    25,233
    Carroll County
    Truth. I had a patient come into my clinic one morning, a WW2 vet who had overwintered at Bastogne, with a bullet in a dixie cup. He'd coughed it up that morning. Said he couldn't remember being shot, but had a stitch in his side after one firefight. Looked like an 8mm slug to me. Chest X-Rays looked good, even got him a CT to make sure no scar tissue or anything was there.

    He was fine.


    Tough old buzzard, or Screaming Eagle.

    He should put in for a Purple Heart.
     

    X-Factor

    I don't say please
    Jun 2, 2009
    5,244
    Calvert County
    I impaled my hand with a lead pencil when I was a kid....you can still see the lead under my skin almost 20 years later. Am I gonna die?
     

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