SAF SUES IN MARYLAND OVER HANDGUN PERMIT DENIAL UPDATED 3-5-12

Gray Peterson · Mar 9, 2012

MDresident said:
The point most folks are missing is not the contistutional "right"; that is established. It is the Maryland state governing body that does not recogonize that right even as defined in the Bill of Rights it so ratified.
Folks thinking that Maryland will bow to indications that it is obstructing rights afforded its citenzenry by the constitution is unfounded. Do you have that much faith in Marylandisstan?

When esqappellate and I are speaking, we are not gushing for faith in Maryland government.

Judge Legg's paycheck cannot be reduced by a state government trying to squeeze him, since he's a federal judge.

The Judicial Security Act adds additional muscle against any attempts to squeeze him or his family members in retaliation for strongly enforcing his decrees. Only Congress via impeachment can remove him. He's a veritable hero in the current Congress now...

TyFromMD · Mar 9, 2012

Judge Legg is retiring in June.

mrjam2jab · Mar 9, 2012

OnTarget said:
One thing concerns me, that is, if MD denies the permit applications, then it is hurtful when one applies for a CCW in another state, because these states sometimes ask if one has ever been turned down by another state and the reason why. It doesn't help.

dblas said:
The question never came up in the FL, UT, VA or OH applications I applied for.

but NH, NJ, CT, RI and MD do ask...so it does exist. But I think once you say "MD" as the reason they will understand.

JMangle · Mar 9, 2012

TyFromMD said:
Judge Legg is retiring in June.

As they say in Baltimore: sheeeeeeeet. I wanted him to stay around for at least another 20 years.

BTW, I got fingerprinted at some place off security blvd -- said he's gotten about 10 other guys doing the same thing as me this past week. Not bad for a small joint. Got my app in the mail, post office said it should be there tmrw.

esqappellate · Mar 9, 2012

TyFromMD said:
Judge Legg is retiring in June.

Actually going on senior status, which means he'll probably sit and hear cases as much as he wants. That's typical if his health allows it

Dead Eye · Mar 10, 2012

Is it my imagination, or did Judge Legg just stiff arm the AG? http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.mdd.180772/gov.uscourts.mdd.180772.57.1.pdf

MDFF2008 · Mar 10, 2012

This looks new deadeye.

Gimme a second.

MDFF2008 · Mar 10, 2012

The injunction was denied; but the Judge affirmed that G&S is unconstitutional.

Sorry guys, I stopped at the 200 level law classes.

Glaug-Eldare · Mar 10, 2012

Dead Eye said:
Is it my imagination, or did Judge Legg just stiff arm the AG? http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.mdd.180772/gov.uscourts.mdd.180772.57.1.pdf

That's an order proposed by Gansler's team. It it not an actual order. Note that the space for Legg's signature is empty, whereas in other documents it has "/s/" to indicate that he has signed them.

MDFF2008 · Mar 10, 2012

Glaug-Eldare said:
That's an order proposed by Gansler's team. It it not an actual order. Note that the space for Legg's signature is empty, whereas in other documents it has "/s/" to indicate that he has signed them.

It's a pretty shittly written order. They aren't getting an injunction, but it was my understanding in Law 101; a law ruled unconstitutional is unenforceable from the moment it's ruled unconstitutional.

Dead Eye · Mar 10, 2012

Glaug-Eldare said:
That's an order proposed by Gansler's team. It it not an actual order. Note that the space for Legg's signature is empty, whereas in other documents it has "/s/" to indicate that he has signed them.

Thanks, I forgot for a second who was the Plaintiff and who was the Defendant.

Dead Eye · Mar 10, 2012

gprimr1 said:
It's a pretty shittly written order. They aren't getting an injunction, but it was my understanding in Law 101; a law ruled unconstitutional is unenforceable from the moment it's ruled unconstitutional.

The Licensing Division told me "At this time we are waiting for legal advice", whenever I asked them where my Permit was.

Brychan · Mar 10, 2012

JMangle said:
As they say in Baltimore: sheeeeeeeet. I wanted him to stay around for at least another 20 years.

BTW, I got fingerprinted at some place off security blvd -- said he's gotten about 10 other guys doing the same thing as me this past week. Not bad for a small joint. Got my app in the mail, post office said it should be there tmrw.

Do they do photos and notary there?

gmhowell · Mar 10, 2012

MDresident said:
Does anyone know whtether the Wollard gentleman received his permit?
That would be relevant.

If I understand it, that's the issue that the most recent filings by the parties in the case are attempting to figure out. A 59(e) or some such. MD AG is asking for clarification on what exactly the judge ordered first time around.

Rossi357 · Mar 10, 2012

psssssst....Judge, will you sign this while no one is looking?

TyFromMD · Mar 10, 2012

esqappellate said:
Actually going on senior status, which means he'll probably sit and hear cases as much as he wants. That's typical if his health allows it

Ohh got it

zombiehunter · Mar 10, 2012

About 6 of us went out for dinner last night, mom, stepdad, aunt, uncle, cousin. They're all going to apply once everything is sorted out. Crazy...to think there would have been half a dozen of us sitting there with guns enjoying dinner. Absolutely nuts.

What has the precedent been regarding stays and applications put in between the ruling and the stay? (Use whatever analogy works, I'm not well versed in law)

SkunkWerX · Mar 10, 2012

http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.mdd.180772/gov.uscourts.mdd.180772.57.1.pdf

Gansler is a piece of work! Trying to get Judge Legg to more-or-less reverse his decision on a 2 page bogus order?

The word "weak" is way too strong a descriptor. :facepalm:

I want to hear Krucam, Patrick, Esqappellate's thoughts on this.
I nearly spit coffee laughing when I read it. :lol2:

pathetically weak?

epically weak?

Q: Does this further point to the level of desperation they have seemingly reached?

Jim Sr · Mar 10, 2012

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navycraig · Mar 10, 2012

Hopalong said:
Just got my prints/photos at MD Livescan in Glen Burnie. App goes in the mail Monday.

B^)

I'm guessing you and I were there at the same time. Good operation that they had going. They processed 4 of us all at the same time and I was in-out in less than 20 minutes.

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