Bald Fat Guy
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- Oct 7, 2014
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Don't ask us , you need to be asking your wife's first cousin.
Petition for Concealed Carry for Veterans
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Count for what?
Why? He's a relative, not the one issuing a permit. The question was posed somewhat tongue in cheek of MinuteMan - spouse of a cop versus cousin of one; i.e., where does a familial relationship begin and end?
IGOR455
Active Member
gee never thought of applying for one for my wife,oh well
A G&S reason in the eyes of MSP oracles.
Bald Fat Guy
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- Oct 7, 2014
- 418
That's the point , we don't know how far family connections will provide a favorable influence/ consideration. " Hey Cuz , I'm applying for a Handgun Permit , do you know anyone who works there ? "
Would probably work better if you had spoken with cuz first , before posting about it here.
Would probably work better if you had spoken with cuz first , before posting about it here.
Ehhhh everybody whose a law abiding citizen NEEDS a permit, exspecially when you live in this county that borders with DC
havent applied yet because this is something we just recently started discussing, she usually never wanted to bring work home with her untill lately so shes talking about things Ask the right questions instead of assuming.
But anyways to hell with it, I know the right people to ask.
havent applied yet because this is something we just recently started discussing, she usually never wanted to bring work home with her untill lately so shes talking about things Ask the right questions instead of assuming.
But anyways to hell with it, I know the right people to ask.
We don't need anymore "special classes" of people. I have a honorable discharge from 1970 and I don't think that makes me anymore entitled than anyone else.
Let me ask you "all or nothing" folks a question:
Would you be in favor of a bill that said anyone with a carry permit that required a background check and initial training requirement; to be allowed to carry in Maryland with that out of state permit? More simply put are you for reciprocity?
Would you be in favor of a bill that said anyone with a carry permit that required a background check and initial training requirement; to be allowed to carry in Maryland with that out of state permit? More simply put are you for reciprocity?
crowleycr
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We have already created two classes of citizens here in Maryland with FSA2013. Floating the idea that veterans are more responsible than non veterans seems divisive to me. For training purposes I would agree that veterans have had training with firearms and that could be waived. But the state shouldn't continue to infringe on others rights because they didn't take the opportunity to serve.
And Id bet most would be happy with that.
- Jan 30, 2013
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Let's just break down the 2A community into even more factions and special interests, so there isn't one strong message or voice. Then everybody can go off and lobby for his own special interest or cause, and the politicians won't have to listen to any of us. 
At worst for the anti's, if they bow and placate a small group to temporarily quell any pressure, they make it look like they did something and simultaneously leave everybody else to flounder until they regroup as a smaller and more divided force.
Look how much energy and resources have been put into this debate. What if there was just one petition, for everyone to be included? There would be nearly 100% participation, no issue, no debate, and all this energy could have been directed toward supporting a petition that everybody agrees with.
Obama and the Democrats at all levels of government have refined the art of divide and conquer in politics, but Republicans and conservatives keep playing right into their hand.
STOP THE CLASS WARFARE!
At worst for the anti's, if they bow and placate a small group to temporarily quell any pressure, they make it look like they did something and simultaneously leave everybody else to flounder until they regroup as a smaller and more divided force.
Look how much energy and resources have been put into this debate. What if there was just one petition, for everyone to be included? There would be nearly 100% participation, no issue, no debate, and all this energy could have been directed toward supporting a petition that everybody agrees with.
Obama and the Democrats at all levels of government have refined the art of divide and conquer in politics, but Republicans and conservatives keep playing right into their hand.
STOP THE CLASS WARFARE!
Anyone willing to answer my question?
Are you in support of recipriocity?
Are you in support of recipriocity?
- Mar 8, 2013
- 6,993
All right Minuteman, I haven't finished my second cup of Joe yet, and am hardly thinking straight, but I'll bite.
Yes, I am for reciprocity. It's not my preferred option, because I'd like to believe we still live in a Republic and their remains some state sovereignty, but when a state like Merrylandistan (or others like New Jersey) infringes on a fundamental and supposedly Constitutionally protected right, it becomes necessary. Particularly when the limp wristed federal courts defer so readily to the state legislature.
When Maryland signed on, and when each of Maryland's legislators take their oath of office, they swear to uphold the COTUS. Then the oath breaking SOB's break their commitment and do just the opposite. In doing so, they not only infringe on Maryland residents, but non-residents alike who have every right to travel to and through Merrylandistan, and are supposed to have the same fundamental and protected RKBA as all Americans.
We have reciprocity for driver's license privileges. I see no reason it shouldn't be the same for fundamental and Constitutionally protect rights. The comrades in Merrylandsistan may not mind giving their rights up to the socialist MOMmy oriented government (I am not one of them), but residents of other states should not be expected to forgo their rights just because they walk across the state line. It's a 2A, equal protection and full faith and credit issue all rolled into one.
But this still doesn't help your class oriented incremental argument. Reciprocity would apply to all, regardless of service, LEO, race, economic status, etc. provided you have a permit. I don't view the non-resident versus resident as creating two classes. That's just the difference between true Americans with permits (I hate saying that) lawfully exercising their God given, fundamental and Constitutionally protected rights and the oppressed residents of Maryland.
So although its not the preferred route, I'd take reciprocity in a heart beat. It would be a defacto statement and recognition that Merryland's legislature has way over reached in violating the 2A, and the disparity in rights between residents and non-residents would fall almost immediately, not incrementally.
Frosh and the Maryland legislature would kick and scream like small children, but it would be untenable for non-residents to be able to exercise their 2A rights while residents were precluded by their own legislature from doing so.
If and when Courts agree that the right to carry concealed firearms in Maryland is guaranteed under the Constitution - Lunch is on me. In the 1770s there were no high capacity Glocks on the market. What would they have agreed to we will never know.
The Theological issue of this right being God Given may be a tad tougher to prove or disprove.
- Mar 8, 2013
- 6,993
I am not particularly religious myself, but many here are, and I equate God given and fundamental as being one in the same. I was born with a right to protect myself and my family - regardless of how I got it.
No one in 1791 (not the 1770's) distinguished between smooth bore muskets and rifles - they are both "arms." Minuteman's question wasn't about the courts, it was about legislated reciprocity - but if the Courts get there first I'll gladly let you buy lunch!
redeemed.man
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Yes. Not sure I will be alive when it happens but yes. I also believe it will come from the courts not from the MGA.
Bald Fat Guy
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- Oct 7, 2014
- 418
Be allowed IN Maryland ? Sure eventually. Be allowed BY Maryland ? Nope not gonna happen.
When it happens , it will not be established internally the Maryland Gen'l Assy of their free will . It will be directly by Federal Court , or MGA begrudgingly passing a sratute to comply with a Federal Court decision.
I'm of the opinion that handgun permits from the various states ( and equiv ) should be given full faith and credit as are driver lic , hunter safety training , and marriage.
But alas *at this time* allowing reciprosity without letting the general population of Marylanders is very two edged. I see where you (MM) are going with this . We get the positives of increased normalization , and more armed people out and about to help public safety.
But the difference is the downside to marylanders would be more difficulty in carrying while outside of Maryland vs a more abstract sense of devisiveness.
Put another way : A question of creating privledge for only part of Marlanders in order to gain indirect benefits for all. Vs Create disadvantages for all Marylanders in order to gain indirect benefits for all.
I can see the parallel reasonings , but *to me* , the two ideas have different juice/ squeeze ratios, others may feel differently.
When it happens , it will not be established internally the Maryland Gen'l Assy of their free will . It will be directly by Federal Court , or MGA begrudgingly passing a sratute to comply with a Federal Court decision.
I'm of the opinion that handgun permits from the various states ( and equiv ) should be given full faith and credit as are driver lic , hunter safety training , and marriage.
But alas *at this time* allowing reciprosity without letting the general population of Marylanders is very two edged. I see where you (MM) are going with this . We get the positives of increased normalization , and more armed people out and about to help public safety.
But the difference is the downside to marylanders would be more difficulty in carrying while outside of Maryland vs a more abstract sense of devisiveness.
Put another way : A question of creating privledge for only part of Marlanders in order to gain indirect benefits for all. Vs Create disadvantages for all Marylanders in order to gain indirect benefits for all.
I can see the parallel reasonings , but *to me* , the two ideas have different juice/ squeeze ratios, others may feel differently.
HeatSeeker
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Put it down as G&S. Minuteman says he spoke to a woman that got her permit that way.
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