AR15 lower still legal to purchase?

Tebonski · Jun 19, 2014

Guys, forgive me if this has already been covered. I am not a huge fan of the AR, yes, I know I am a heretic. I was informed by a person intimately knowledgeable that it is still legal to purchase an AR15 lower receiver in Md and the dems are fashioning future legislation to correct this flaw in 281.The reason why it's still legal to purchase an AR15 lower is because an Hbar can be built from it. This source says if you call the MSP some will beat around the bush about the legality and some will answer yes you can buy one. This is what I was told by a member of a Maryland police force.

Ragnar · Jun 19, 2014

This may not be a settled question, but the Maryland State Police have taken the position that an AR lower by itself is now banned, and I doubt you'll find a Maryland gun dealer willing to sell you one. You can buy a heavy barreled AR as a complete rifle or you can buy a complete AR pistol. You can also buy AR rifles in calibers other than 5.56/.223.

joppaj · Jun 19, 2014

Tebonski said:
This is what I was told by a member of a Maryland police force.

As a police Sergeant, I'll tell you never to ask a cop about fine points of gun laws.

To answer your question, I don't know of an FFL that would sell you a stripped lower in MD right now.

eruby · Jun 19, 2014

You can buy an AR 15 lower if you have a flux capacitor.

+1 on buying the HBAR rifle.

Tebonski · Jun 19, 2014

joppaj said:
As a police Sergeant, I'll tell you never to ask a cop about fine points of gun laws.

To answer your question, I don't know of an FFL that would sell you a stripped lower in MD right now.

Sarge, I know exactly what you mean. But getting back to the issue I was informed that if you can convince a dealer to submit the paperwork to the MSP the cannot disapprove the sale because the lower can be used to build an HBAR or a short barreled pistol AR with the applicable fees etc if I remember correctly. This law enforcement gentleperson said the dems are furiously working on flaws in the original 281 and want to keep this info hush hush until they can legally ban the sale of lower receivers.

vinjet700 · Jun 19, 2014

Tebonski said:
Sarge, I know exactly what you mean. But getting back to the issue I was informed that if you can convince a dealer to submit the paperwork to the MSP the cannot disapprove the sale because the lower can be used to build an HBAR or a short barreled pistol AR with the applicable fees etc if I remember correctly. This law enforcement gentleperson said the dems are furiously working on flaws in the original 281 and want to keep this info hush hush until they can legally ban the sale of lower receivers.

I wouldn't want to be the FFL that does this. The law was pretty clear and I wouldn't want the spotlight on me anymore than it already is....

DC-W · Jun 19, 2014

You can buy a complete AR that's not in a standard .223/5.56 configuration (HBAR, different caliber, etc...).
You can also buy a stripped lower for an AR that's not .223/5.56.
AR-10 lowers, 9mm AR-15 lowers, and other dedicated caliber lowers are still kosher.

Check with your FFL and shop around. Some of the industry partners on this site stock different types of lowers.

dblas · Jun 19, 2014

Tebonski said:
Sarge, I know exactly what you mean. But getting back to the issue I was informed that if you can convince a dealer to submit the paperwork to the MSP the cannot disapprove the sale because the lower can be used to build an HBAR or a short barreled pistol AR with the applicable fees etc if I remember correctly. This law enforcement gentleperson said the dems are furiously working on flaws in the original 281 and want to keep this info hush hush until they can legally ban the sale of lower receivers.

I haven't seen anything in Annapolis with this last session (which would have been the time to fix things) or for this upcoming session (They have no clue who will be there and what the committees will look like) regarding any bills that would "fix errors" the other side has found.

I think your friend is blowing smoke, unless he spent more time in Annapolis this pst year than I did?

aquaman · Jun 19, 2014

annihilation-time · Jun 19, 2014

Only if you live in America.

A1Uni · Jun 19, 2014

The answer is, unfortunately, no.

NateIU10 · Jun 19, 2014

A1Uniform said:
The answer is, unfortunately, no.

I, respectfully, disagree. I am working on getting this resolved for the dealers, but MSP knows they do not have a leg to stand on.

webb297 · Jun 19, 2014

NateIU10 said:
I, respectfully, disagree. I am working on getting this resolved for the dealers, but MSP knows they do not have a leg to stand on.

I wish you the best of luck in that regard, but the fact of the matter is at this time you can not purchase a stripped lower in MD. No FFL will do the transfer.

NateIU10 · Jun 19, 2014

webb297 said:
I wish you the best of luck in that regard, but the fact of the matter is at this time you can not purchase a stripped lower in MD. No FFL will do the transfer.

Also not true.

A1Uni · Jun 19, 2014

NateIU10 said:
I, respectfully, disagree. I am working on getting this resolved for the dealers, but MSP knows they do not have a leg to stand on.

I respect you opinion, but I challenge you to find a Maryland FFL who will sell you one today.

I realize things might change, but at this point in time, I stand by my "no."

webb297 · Jun 19, 2014

OK, I may stand corrected. Which FFL will allow me to do the paperwork on a .223 HBAR striped lower today?

NateIU10 · Jun 19, 2014

A1Uniform said:
I respect you opinion, but I challenge you to find a Maryland FFL who will sell you one today.

I realize things might change, but at this point in time, I stand by my "no."

webb297 said:
OK, I may stand corrected. Which FFL will allow me to do the paperwork on a .223 HBAR striped lower today?

I understand completely from the business side of things.

No 77R, no lock, no roster, no casing. It's not a handgun. Cash and carry "Other" on a 4473.

RoadDawg · Jun 19, 2014

Tebonski said:
Guys, forgive me if this has already been covered. I am not a huge fan of the AR, yes, I know I am a heretic. I was informed by a person intimately knowledgeable that it is still legal to purchase an AR15 lower receiver in Md and the dems are fashioning future legislation to correct this flaw in 281.The reason why it's still legal to purchase an AR15 lower is because an Hbar can be built from it. This source says if you call the MSP some will beat around the bush about the legality and some will answer yes you can buy one. This is what I was told by a member of a Maryland police force.

Tebonski said:
Sarge, I know exactly what you mean. But getting back to the issue I was informed that if you can convince a dealer to submit the paperwork to the MSP the cannot disapprove the sale because the lower can be used to build an HBAR or a short barreled pistol AR with the applicable fees etc if I remember correctly. This law enforcement gentleperson said the dems are furiously working on flaws in the original 281 and want to keep this info hush hush until they can legally ban the sale of lower receivers.

Why would you keep referring to this as a "flaw"?

Is it also a "flaw" that the HBAR can still be purchased in Md. even though it is an AR-15? And is it a "flaw" that the HBAR can be purchased C&C?

If folks keep focusing on all of the "flaws" they will be focusing us completely out of our 2A rights in the hell hole of a state. The language does not pass the sniff test... :sad20:

cap6888 · Jun 19, 2014

NateIU10 said:
I understand completely from the business side of things.

No 77R, no lock, no roster, no casing. It's not a handgun. Cash and carry "Other" on a 4473.

So which dealer is selling lowers? I would gladly travel statewide if need be to get some.

Sticky · Jun 19, 2014

NateIU10 said:
I understand completely from the business side of things.

No 77R, no lock, no roster, no casing. It's not a handgun. Cash and carry "Other" on a 4473.

And well the way it should be based on present laws on the books...

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