Blank guns are regulated in MD?

PGTMG · Oct 14, 2014

I saw this on GB in an ad for a blank gun. Is this correct?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=444723776

Doctor_M · Oct 14, 2014

I'm interested in knowing the answer to this too... this starter pistol cannot possibly be converted to fire live ammo. If this is what is banned then the law is an ass.

ken792 · Oct 14, 2014

Maybe it uses the same frame as a live firing revolver that H&R made?

Edit: It appears that until 1977, all H&R blank revolvers used a 922 frame. They could be made to live fire with a new barrel and cylinder. Then in 1978, they switched to a new frame design to prevent that.

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/h-r-970-starter-pistol.67500/

Harabec Weathers · Oct 14, 2014

Doctor_M said:
~~If this is what is banned then~~ the law is an ass.

FTFY

Vile Shadow · Oct 14, 2014

Yeah, first we regulate handguns that fire boolits, and apparently now we regulate handguns that DON'T fire boolits. :sad20:

It's for the children, ya know. :rolleyes:

Pinecone · Oct 15, 2014

Sling Blade said:
Yeah, first we regulate handguns that fire boolits, and apparently now we regulate handguns that MIGHT fire boolits.

What is wrong with that?

Vile Shadow · Oct 15, 2014

Pinecone said:
What is wrong with that?

Because if it doesn't, and is otherwise unable to, it's freakin' stupid. :banghead:

I guess nail guns that use powder charges will be next.

BradMacc82 · Oct 15, 2014

I'm calling ********. Just a cop-out way for this guy not to deal with his own state's stupidity.

Until a FFL or lawyer speaks up, that's all I'm going to say.

awptickes · Oct 15, 2014

Uh, guys... That "starter pistol" is a new barrel and new cylinder away from being a handgun.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/HarringtonRichardson-33274/Revolvers-36449/922EarlyModelwFlatMainspring-38105.htm

I can understand why an FFL would want to sell it as a handgun -- because it's a handgun frame. There's a big following online about these, and it's common to convert them into a live-firing 22lr or .32 pistol. Personally, I'd sell it as a handgun, unless I welded the blank "barrel" into the frame.

SRD · Oct 15, 2014

Public safety 5-101

(h) Firearm. --

(1) "Firearm" means:

(i) a weapon that expels, is designed to expel, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; or

(ii) the frame or receiver of such a weapon.

(2) "Firearm" includes a starter gun.

(n) Handgun. --

(1) "Handgun" means a firearm with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.

(2) "Handgun" includes signal, starter, and blank pistols.

awptickes · Oct 15, 2014

SRD said:
Public safety 5-101

(h) Firearm. --

(1) "Firearm" means:

(i) a weapon that expels, is designed to expel, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; or

(ii) the frame or receiver of such a weapon.

(2) "Firearm" includes a starter gun.

(n) Handgun. --

(1) "Handgun" means a firearm with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.

(2) "Handgun" includes signal, starter, and blank pistols.

That too.

PGTMG · Oct 15, 2014

SRD said:
Public safety 5-101

(h) Firearm. --

(1) "Firearm" means:

(i) a weapon that expels, is designed to expel, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; or

(ii) the frame or receiver of such a weapon.

(2) "Firearm" includes a starter gun.

(n) Handgun. --

(1) "Handgun" means a firearm with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.

(2) "Handgun" includes signal, starter, and blank pistols.

Wow I think we are now in the top three of screwed up states.

Bald Fat Guy · Oct 15, 2014

Similar situation with the 1stGen Savage Muzzleloader. It used same action as the regular M110 (as they were numbered then)an and BATF declared them modern rifles. Was subsequently redesigned to pass as a muzzleloader.

ken792 · Oct 15, 2014

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/f...on=5-101&ext=html&session=2014RS&tab=subject5

Does that mean that blank guns are legally handguns when used in the commission of a crime, or that blank guns are handguns under MD law as it pertains to owning, purchasing, carrying, etc?

Bald Fat Guy · Oct 15, 2014

Yes and Yes .

Arcamm · Oct 15, 2014

An-lap-a-a$$ will regulate grease guns, nail guns and staple guns if we let them.

Drew1340 · Oct 15, 2014

I guess surplus flare guns as well?

kalister1 · Oct 15, 2014

Back in the early 80's I bought a Starter Pistol from Bart's (When they had a store on Mountain Rd. in Pasadena.)
I filled out the same MSP paper work that I filled out to buy a firing pistol and waited the same 8 days.

Mark75H · Oct 16, 2014

So, a blank gun mfg'd after 1985 has to be on the list?

JamesH · Oct 17, 2014

Sling Blade said:
Yeah, first we regulate handguns that fire boolits, and apparently now we regulate handguns that DON'T fire boolits.

It's for the children, ya know.

Don't you realize, a starter gun looks like a gun. That makes it scary! And scary things can kill people!

The more interesting issue is the application to a starter pistol of Criminal Law §4-203, regarding transporting a handgun. I see nothing that allows you to transport a handgun (which obviously includes a starter pistol) to the sort of event that would involve using a starter pistol. Unless you're using it to start a timed shooting event.

So, it sounds like you shouldn't even bother buying a starter gun in Maryland. :facepalm:

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