Jan Morgan bans Muslims from her range

ryan_j · Apr 27, 2015

5.56blaster said:
Several years ago I was with a friend of mine and we stopped at a bar that he liked to shoot a came of pool and have a beer. I had my leather motorcycle jacket on. Started our game and was told by the bartender that I couldn't have the jacket on. Ok. Took it off and had a Harley t shirt on. Bartender said you need to leave we don't want your kind in here. Ok we left. My kind was a white, 35 year old, active duty military police officer. Point is its his place, his rules. Did I sue? No. I took my money elsewhere. I worked part time at a casino and it had a sign on the door that said " We have the right to refuse service to anyone at anytime for any reason." Private property owners have rights also. Its why its called private and not public.

You weren't born with a Harley t shirt. I was born with my skin complexion and ethnicity. There is a difference.

And unless you worship at the altar of v rod on Sundays it's not your religion either.

There are such things as protected classes. Discrimination by itself isn't illegal but on the basis of certain things like race, gender, disability, veteran status it is.

eruby · Apr 27, 2015

traveller said:
Jews too ?

With a sign at the door. Star of David crossed out. How about one of those 'Stuermer'caricatures of a hook nosed jew ? Private business, right ?

Jews too. Yes, private business.

It is indeed ugly but it should be ones right to be ugly.

44man · Apr 27, 2015

ryan_j said:
That's pretty dumb. I'm likely more conservative than most here, especially considering what I do for a living. I just don't like bigotry.

A lawsuit is not for hurt feelings. It's for real damage such as being subject to illegal discrimination. No true conservative who believes in the constitution and Declaration of Independence will ever condone illegal discrimination.

bigotry, racism and discrimination are everywhere around us all the time. always has been and always will be. its more covered up now but still there. its sad but true. its best to walk away from such things and take your business elsewhere and be done with it.

and real damages for being discriminated against sure sounds like hurt feelings to me. it sure doesn't sound like bodily injury. yep hurt feelings.

as for who is the most conservative....meh, I don't see how you can measure those you don't know.

unclebuck · Apr 27, 2015

44man said:
bigotry, racism and discrimination are everywhere around us all the time. always has been and always will be. its more covered up now but still there. its sad but true. its best to walk away from such things and take your business elsewhere and be done with it.

and real damages for being discriminated against sure sounds like hurt feelings to me. it sure doesn't sound like bodily injury. yep hurt feelings.

as for who is the most conservative....meh, I don't see how you can measure those you don't know.

I disagree, I don't believe you need to go far at all to find evidence of bigotry, racism, and discrimination.

As has been pointed out earlier in the thread the cost inflicted is more than hurt feelings, but that may be hard to realize until you end up in a similar situation.

5.56blaster · Apr 27, 2015

ryan_j said:
You weren't born with a Harley t shirt. I was born with my skin complexion and ethnicity. There is a difference.

And unless you worship at the altar of v rod on Sundays it's not your religion either.

There are such things as protected classes. Discrimination by itself isn't illegal but on the basis of certain things like race, gender, disability, veteran status it is.

No but it is his place and his rules. By the way I think the vrod sucks. I'm old school 1950 panhead. If he/she does not want you in their private establishment that's just the way it is. Go someplace else or better yet spend a bunch of money and open your own place with your own rules.

Traveler · Apr 27, 2015

Devil Dog said:
She's a horrible human being.

You know her personally? Bit quick to judge eh?

Traveler · Apr 27, 2015

eruby said:
Jews too. Yes, private business.

It is indeed ugly but it should be ones right to be ugly.

Funny how several who claim to be freedom lovers and constitutionalists all of a sudden want the government to dictate the actions of a private business eh? A bit like Feinstein, different rules and expectations as it feels good in the moment.

Real freedom can be messy.

5.56blaster · Apr 27, 2015

Traveler said:
You know her personally? Bit quick to judge eh?

You will notice that the left are the first people to call someone a name or judge someone without much info. They love to call people rednecks, bigot, Nazi, homophobe or best of all :envy:

a gun nut. Lots of hate comes from the left but that's ok because they are right and really cool and your not.

Traveler · Apr 27, 2015

5.56blaster said:
You will notice that the left are the first people to call someone a name or judge someone without much info. They love to call people rednecks, bigot, Nazi, homophobe or best of all a gun nut. Lots of hate comes from the left but that's ok because they are right and really cool and your not.

I am sad. I really wanted to be cool.

wilcam47 · Apr 27, 2015

ryan_j said:
Not good for winning over hearts and minds, IMO. You may win the fringe base but that's about it.

How does she know someone is a Muslim anyway?

rico903 said:
Typical liberal ***** shit. Sue, sue sue. Just find another range where you'd be welcomed. And what would you gain by suing? A right to use a range where you're not wanted or possibly put a small business person out of business.

I think people that spout off "sue" really cant handle life, they were the "tattle tails" of grade school..boo hoo hoo so and so picked on me, Im telling teacher :sad20:

. ..a private business has some rules...dont like them go somewhere else..

Everything I need to know about Muslims and their peaceful religion I learned from 9/11..

kcbrown · Apr 27, 2015

wilcam47 said:
Everything I need to know about Muslims and their peaceful religion I learned from 9/11..

Then what did you learn from the Oklahoma City bombing?

traveller · Apr 27, 2015

kcbrown said:
Then what did you learn from the Oklahoma City bombing?

Can't trust Vets ?
Can't trust the scottish ?

44man · Apr 27, 2015

wilcam47 said:
I think people that spout off "sue" really cant handle life, they were the "tattle tails" of grade school..boo hoo hoo so and so picked on me, Im telling teacher. ..a private business has some rules...dont like them go somewhere else..

Everything I need to know about Muslims and their peaceful religion I learned from 9/11..

I agree with all of this.

wilcam47 · Apr 27, 2015

kcbrown said:
Then what did you learn from the Oklahoma City bombing?

Terrorists can be anywhere...

Traveler · Apr 27, 2015

Religious extremism has become the main driver of terrorism in recent years, according to this year’s Global Terrorism Index.

The report recorded 18,000 deaths in 2013, a rise of 60% on the previous year. The majority (66%) of these were attributable to just four groups: Islamic State (Isis) in Iraq and Syria, Boko Haram in Nigeria, the Taliban in Afghanistan and al-Qaida.

Overall there has been a fivefold increase in deaths from terrorism since the 9/11 suicide attacks.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...m-main-cause-of-terrorism-according-to-report

44man · Apr 27, 2015

kcbrown said:
Then what did you learn from the Oklahoma City bombing?

that there are nuts everywhere.

don't trust people.

don't work in large building with lots of people as you may well become a target of some nuts.

kcbrown · Apr 27, 2015

5.56blaster said:
Several years ago I was with a friend of mine and we stopped at a bar that he liked to shoot a came of pool and have a beer. I had my leather motorcycle jacket on. Started our game and was told by the bartender that I couldn't have the jacket on. Ok. Took it off and had a Harley t shirt on. Bartender said you need to leave we don't want your kind in here. Ok we left. My kind was a white, 35 year old, active duty military police officer. Point is its his place, his rules. Did I sue? No. I took my money elsewhere. I worked part time at a casino and it had a sign on the door that said " We have the right to refuse service to anyone at anytime for any reason." Private property owners have rights also. Its why its called private and not public.

A business is a private entity that formally interacts with the public. That's why the property is private but the business is "open to the public".

Again, in a perfect world and a perfect market, a discriminatory business would fail due to such policies due to competition with other businesses that were not discriminatory, since the latter would avail itself of more customers than the former. But the real market has irrational players on all sides of the equation, and that results in discrimination being something that can literally ruin people.

How would you like it if you were unable to buy gasoline anywhere in the state because businesses chose to discriminate against those who support the right to arms? Would you really simply shrug and say "oh, well. Their business, their rules"? I call BS. My bet is that you'd do something to address the situation, probably through the legal system, because your livelihood would be on the line.

The consequences of widespread discrimination are real and they are bad. It is only because you are not in a minority that is systematically discriminated against that you cling to the belief that a public-facing business should be able to discriminate on whatever grounds it pleases. As someone who supports the right to arms, you'd better be careful in what you wish for here, because if you get it, then you will not be able to do much in the place you live. Because if any business can discriminate against you, then they all can, and simultaneously. And you need them more than you think. I wager your very survival depends on those businesses doing business with you.

44man · Apr 27, 2015

unclebuck said:
I disagree, I don't believe you need to go far at all to find evidence of bigotry, racism, and discrimination.

As has been pointed out earlier in the thread the cost inflicted is more than hurt feelings, but that may be hard to realize until you end up in a similar situation.

you don't agree bigotry, racism and discrimination are all around us? do you live in a box? its everywhere everyday. the thing is I choose not to be around it. if someone doesn't want my money or my kind in their establishment then I take my money elsewhere. the damages from racism and bigotry and discrimination are what you allow them to be. there will always be someone willing to take your money. the one thing that bigotry and racism and discrimination cant beat is peoples greed.

44man · Apr 27, 2015

kcbrown said:
A business is a private entity that formally interacts with the public. That's why the property is private but the business is "open to the public".

Again, in a perfect world and a perfect market, a discriminatory business would fail due to such policies due to competition with other businesses that were not discriminatory, since the latter would avail itself of more customers than the former. But the real market has irrational players on all sides of the equation, and that results in discrimination being something that can literally ruin people.

How would you like it if you were unable to buy gasoline anywhere in the state because businesses chose to discriminate against those who support the right to arms? Would you really simply shrug and say "oh, well. Their business, their rules"? I call BS. My bet is that you'd do something to address the situation, probably through the legal system, because your livelihood would be on the line.

The consequences of widespread discrimination are real and they are bad. It is only because you are not in a minority that is systematically discriminated against that you cling to the belief that a public-facing business should be able to discriminate on whatever grounds it pleases. As someone who supports the right to arms, you'd better be careful in what you wish for here, because if you get it, then you will not be able to do much in the place you live. Because if any business can discriminate against you, then they all can, and simultaneously. And you need them more than you think. I wager your very survival depends on those businesses doing business with you.

there will always be someone who will take your money for whatever it is that you want or need. and if every business discriminated against those who owned guns it would be such a wide spectrum of society that they wouldn't be able to do it. if I remember something I heard on tv last night correctly they said there are as many if not more guns in America than people. shyt, maybe a company would try something that stupid but that would work itself out just like this ladies idea will.

BlackBart · Apr 27, 2015

kcbrown said:
Then what did you learn from the Oklahoma City bombing?

Timmy was both a nut and a milifraction of his demographic and OC happens far less then muslm extremism?

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