SBR's in MD, ATF needs your help!

OrbitalEllipses · Dec 17, 2014

IMBLITZVT said:
In some ways the worse and more ridiculous it gets, the better as it makes it more clear in court that they are just making things up. That said, you need a lawsuit to reverse it and who knows if that will ever happen and could be years. I just don't see how this less than 29" thing is going to stand. Its just going to cause to many issues. MSP was correct the first time when they said FSA did not touch NFA. They should have stuck with it. I would still not be shocked to see MSP reverse themselves on this. The trouble they are having with this just can not be worth it and with no end in sight....

It's been pretty clear that we can't bank on the judiciary being our ally. The worse and more ridiculous it gets the worse it gets for us because challenging this in court isn't, hasn't and won't be easy. I wouldn't expect miracles from any MD court.

IMBLITZVT · Dec 17, 2014

erwos said:
I dunno. The MSP had the perfect opportunity to back off on the issue when EA filed the lawsuit about copycats and SBRs, and they decided it was worth their time (and our money) to fight it. Maybe they'll turn around on it, but it's gonna be a while....

I don't know that MSP would reverse itself before the possibility of getting it dismissed outright was off the table. I do not pretend to know the ins and outs of process going on here.... however it seems that a motion to dismiss is a very simple thing and if granted makes it all go away without much trouble. If its not granted, then they have to prepare a real defense. I must admit to not really be following the Engage lawsuit much so far, so maybe I am missing something. I gather we are waiting to hear if the motion to dismiss will be granted? I just don't see how they are going to be able to defend it but who knows...

OrbitalEllipses said:
It's been pretty clear that we can't bank on the judiciary being our ally. The worse and more ridiculous it gets the worse it gets for us because challenging this in court isn't, hasn't and won't be easy. I wouldn't expect miracles from any MD court.

Oh I am with you there! I was for Referendum just to give the people of MD another year of buying these firearms, assuming the referendum would fail. It probably had about as much chance as a Republican winning the Governor's seat right?...

FSA is much more likely to see a serious lawsuit than a fringe item like SBRs and SBSs. I was just pointing out that sometimes when the Government really oversteps its better than if they just slightly overstep as it makes their whole position look to be without foundation. For example a total gun ban will be a lot easier to defeat than a ban on making new MGs...

sleev-les · Dec 17, 2014

I have an email from Cpl Edwards when I went through this mess about the handgun roster. It states that you only have to submit it to the roster if YOU SELL the rifle, not make one. PM me your email address and I can forward you the chain.

platoonDaddy · Dec 17, 2014

Wayne1one said:
That is the question of the day!

Based on the emails following your post, I still haven't learned why MSP is making these decisions.

Who or what law put them in charge?

For sure confused!

matt_yamaha_guy_450 · Dec 18, 2014

Hey everyone just a heads up! I have been following this thread and I was bummed to read all of the issues since i submitted an e form-1 on 11/14/14 i wasn't sure of the outcome. I just checked my e-mail and I was approved as of yesterday!! For (2) 10.5" sbr's one 9mm and one 5.56 hope this gives you all some hope. Needless to say I am very happy!!!

pwoolford · Dec 18, 2014

That is great news! I have an 11/13/14 form 1 that I was starting to worry about.

erwos · Dec 18, 2014

matt_yamaha_guy_450 said:
Hey everyone just a heads up! I have been following this thread and I was bummed to read all of the issues since i submitted an e form-1 on 11/14/14 i wasn't sure of the outcome. I just checked my e-mail and I was approved as of yesterday!! For (2) 10.5" sbr's one 9mm and one 5.56 hope this gives you all some hope. Needless to say I am very happy!!!

Interesting. Who was your approver?

matt_yamaha_guy_450 · Dec 18, 2014

erwos said:
Interesting. Who was your approver?

I just received the e-mail saying approved i did not see anywhere with a name maybe the form will be in the mail today??

matt_yamaha_guy_450 · Dec 18, 2014

pwoolford said:
That is great news! I have an 11/13/14 form 1 that I was starting to worry about.

My friend it looks like we received an early christmas gift.

swinokur · Dec 18, 2014

If you e-filed, you won't get any paperwork as I understand it. The email is your paperwork.

pwoolford · Dec 18, 2014

swinokur said:
If you e-filed, you won't get any paperwork as I understand it. The email is your paperwork.

Correct...your form should be attached to the email with stamp. Either that or you can login to view/print it.

matt_yamaha_guy_450 · Dec 18, 2014

pwoolford said:
Correct...your form should be attached to the email with stamp. Either that or you can login to view/print it.

Ok this was my first time using e form i will go and try to print it out! Thanks for the info guys!!

matt_yamaha_guy_450 · Dec 18, 2014

erwos said:
Interesting. Who was your approver?

The approver was a JA Bauer it looks like hard to read the signature

bobthefisher · Dec 18, 2014

I've been in more contact with Jason Dicken (sending more annotated code) and he's been in contact with CPL Edwards and other MSP authorities. Hopefully this is a good sign.

These were AR-15's, correct?

SWO Daddy · Dec 18, 2014

Still nothing on my 11.11.14 submission. Good sign though.

Wayne1one · Dec 18, 2014

matt_yamaha_guy_450 said:
I just received the e-mail saying approved i did not see anywhere with a name maybe the form will be in the mail today??

This is great news!! Plus it looks like approval times have dropped again to 30 days and under! Please let this thing be over, I got 2 forms that are waiting to be filed! :sad20:

matt_yamaha_guy_450 · Dec 18, 2014

bobthefisher said:
I've been in more contact with Jason Dicken (sending more annotated code) and he's been in contact with CPL Edwards and other MSP authorities. Hopefully this is a good sign.

These were AR-15's, correct?

Yes sir 1 very nice engage lower and 1 spikes lower.

bobthefisher · Dec 18, 2014

Just called again. Mr. Dicken couldn't give me a strait go, but he said they're actively working it (legal council). For those like myself, be prepared to resubmit and make sure to add some sort of cover letter or document citing the previous disapproved ID and Permit number. We might get some expedient treatment

matt_yamaha_guy_450 · Dec 18, 2014

bobthefisher said:
Just called again. Mr. Dicken couldn't give me a strait go, but he said they're actively working it (legal council). For those like myself, be prepared to resubmit and make sure to add some sort of cover letter or document citing the previous disapproved ID and Permit number. We might get some expedient treatment

It must be a go if i just got the news!

schnejerator · Dec 18, 2014

matt_yamaha_guy_450 said:
Yes sir 1 very nice engage lower and 1 spikes lower.

Just to verify... when did you get them, are they post 10/13?

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