Hickok 45 and the Tavor

11b10 · Jan 6, 2014

clandestine said:
IMO, if the rifle was so innovative they would have gotten all of the above right when it was developed.

Add the above in RED to a 2K Base Rifle and your at $3k without Optics.

Unless one is a collector or is obsessed with Bullpups one can have a bad ass D.I. AR15, a Titanium Suppressor, and NICE Glass with all of the above "issues" worked out for 3K, and parts are available everywhere.

Im not one to shun innovative things, but I don't get the hype of the Tavor. You like yours so that's whats important.

It is an Ok rifle (horrible trigger) but not for 2K worth. It has not really been in sustained combat, the 2 week exercises in Gaza vs. the years and rounds that the M-4 has done.

SCARCQB · Jan 6, 2014

11b10 said:
It is an Ok rifle (horrible trigger) but not for 2K worth. It has not really been in sustained combat, the 2 week exercises in Gaza vs. the years and rounds that the M-4 has done.

For some, adding another AR to the stable is like BORING

11b10 · Jan 6, 2014

SCARCQB said:
For some, adding another AR to the stable is like BORING

You Can never have enough AR,, so many calibers, barrels accessories.... they can all be so different.. Wow, I saw this thing is 8 lbs?? thought it was heavy not that much though.

Wayne1one · Jan 6, 2014

11b10 said:
It is an Ok rifle (horrible trigger) but not for 2K worth. It has not really been in sustained combat, the 2 week exercises in Gaza vs. the years and rounds that the M-4 has done.

When compared to other bullpups the trigger is not that bad. Somebody had to buy the early M4s, right? So maybe in 20 years Tavors will have a similar rep, but at that rate Maryland probably would have banned all guns including those that shoot water....

SCARCQB · Jan 6, 2014

11b10 said:
You Can never have enough AR,, so many calibers, barrels accessories.... they can all be so different.. Wow, I saw this thing is 8 lbs?? thought it was heavy not that much though.

dont get me wrong.. The AR is a wonderful platform. But there are some advantages to going with a bullpup design. (short, compact., 50/50 balance)this is why so may countries have adopted it.

Brits- SA80
French- FAMAS
Austra
Austria, australia, malaysia, ireland, saudi Arabia etc- AUG
Croatia- VHS
Singapore- SAR21
China- type 97
Iran( some weird ar type bullpup)
Israel- Tavor, X 95
Russians- ASI1 and2
finland- m82

Just to name a few. While not as graceful and fluid smooth to operate as an AR, it does have it merits when one has to fight in very tight quarters. This is urban combat or CQB... The battlefield of today

janklow · Jan 7, 2014

SCARCQB said:
But it's not in 5.56.
The AR is better suited for urban HD because the 5.56 limits over penetration. The 7.62x39 Will go through walls like a hot knife through butter.

Verbotene beat me to it, but you COULD theoretically do a vz58 in 5.56 (availability permitting)

also, i won't argue it's a better option, just that it's a possible option

Hellrazr78 · Jan 7, 2014

Variety is the spice of life. I got mine because it's different. I kinda have an against the grain kind of mentality though. There are two kinds of people in the firearms world. People who love bullpups and those that despise them. There are people who see the Tavor as functional art (me) and others that feel it looks like a dog's baloon knot. End of the day, it makes my pants move, so I'm a happy camper.

I found this review helpful. I especially like that he isn't partial towards bullpups.

Pinecone · Jan 7, 2014

erwos said:
After buying an AUG A3, I will actually agree with Chad in that the Tavor is not revolutionary. The AUG A3 NATO and the Tavor are about equal in my eyes - the Tavor has better ergos, but you can make the AUG's trigger way, way better. I think the Tavor will be the better of the two once the Geissle trigger is out, albeit it'll be ~$500 more expensive than an AUG A3.

That said, I think he's a little hard on it in terms of the spare and aftermarket parts situation - this isn't an AUG with like 20 years of spare parts behind it. Give it 5 years, and I think the parts situation will be much improved. As it is, IWI US seems to be on the ball with supporting the rifles out there.

One big difference. You can still buy a Tavor as an MD resident. You cannot buy an Aug.

I wish I had done a PO on an Aug before Oct 1.

It will have to wait until I move out of this state.

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