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agreed the CZ.82 would make a decent CCW gun. i know this for a fact, and i'm a pretty small-framed guy
when I saw this, I thought of the Taurus PT709 Slim, I got a cheap IWB holster for $30, paid 10 for two mag grip extensions, $40 for a spare mag, and I think $2-300 used on GB and roughly 315 brandy smacking new.
I have one, it's not going to win any beauty pageants, the trigger sucks, but it's small enough anyone can handle it and it conceals very well.
A close associate of mine, recently obtained a CCW permit. Due to some personal financial issues, he's strapped for cash, hence the $300 limit.
He won't be able to buy even a $300 gun for a month or longer, so I thought this would be a great question to discuss since we have time. He has taken into account, that he will need more money for a decent rig (holster/belt etc), and money to train, etc, the $300 is about his limit for the gun alone (FFL, taxes, lock, etc, he understands is also extra).
I've already made several recommendations and discussed what I thought were the pros and cons of several models; interested in some other opinions. As soon as there is some good feedback, I'll recommend he come and read this thread for himself, so he's more confident with the advice I'm giving him.
Keep his priorities in mind (this will definitely influence your recommendation):
- One 'all purpose' gun, something he can carry concealed, use for home defense, and take to the range. He's not interested in target shooting, IDPA or anything other than self defense.
- Low recoil, as he want's his petite wife to train with him and be confident to use it if necessary when he is away.
I bought two used Gen 3 Glocks last year in excellent condition for $300 each. That would be my suggestion.
I know he's beyond the basics of safety, marksmanship and essential tactics, but I really don't know beyond that. Another good question. But consider his wife's experience...
Agreed, training is everything. And I think he, like most folks are accepting only a moderate level of training. You guys have me thinking/agreeing, maybe two guns are better than one. Shotgun for the house, and the gun he's essentially asking about (or better if we can convince him) for CCW.
Funny you should point that out. I called Mark at 2AS&S and he recommended the same thing, or a decent used gun, as many of you have suggested. I personally don't like the external safety of the LC9, but it looks like some manufacturers have found a way to contend with this dilemma (making the safeties smaller and harder to 'accidentally' activate).
Not fair to ever say what value do you put on your life, if that were the case I think we would all be flying around in F22's.
That's a solid suggestion.
Have you seen these after market sights?
didnt see it offered up as a suggestion and i dont have any first hand experience with it, but theres the EAA SAR B6P
$264.99 and 9.99 shipping! your buddy might be a little over $300 after transfer fee though
http://www.rkguns.com/eaa-sar-b6p-9mm-full-size-pistol-400422.html
i'm pretty sure theres a shorter barrel version but i couldnt tell you the model number or if the shorter one is on the handgun roster