I don't know, but I didn't want to wait for someone else to give me a template, as I had to respond with in 10 days of my "denial" (that is what I call it)
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I don't know, but I didn't want to wait for someone else to give me a template, as I had to respond with in 10 days of my "denial" (that is what I call it)
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And an unlawful denial at that.
Patrick
MSI Executive Member
We don't give legal advice. What we will do is publish any letter provided us that seems to do the trick.
We're in the game, too. When our execs do something, you will have access to it.
Port Fourchon
Member
- Feb 19, 2011
- 7
My apologies
I am Maryland Hunter’s co-worker. I sent Patrick a detailed response, but a quick summary is that I screwed up and didn't have my application in before the stay. I also didn't understand how the money in a cashier’s check is handled by banks and thought it meant that my check had been cashed. Then when it was returned to me and I had to take it back to the bank I thought that was a refund. I apologize for getting people worked up over the “refund”. I didn’t know what I was talking about when I told MH.
I am Maryland Hunter’s co-worker. I sent Patrick a detailed response, but a quick summary is that I screwed up and didn't have my application in before the stay. I also didn't understand how the money in a cashier’s check is handled by banks and thought it meant that my check had been cashed. Then when it was returned to me and I had to take it back to the bank I thought that was a refund. I apologize for getting people worked up over the “refund”. I didn’t know what I was talking about when I told MH.
Glad you cleared that up. 
OLD FORD GUY
Member
Patrick,
Good point. I want to apologize for the negative tone of my original question. I didn't intend it to be critical of MSI. Should have said "Perhaps we can get MSI to provide some guidelines or key points to cover in the transmittal letter to the Appeals Board."
After posting the original question I was out mowing a pasture and my mind was going over the question when I realized that it was a bit negative.
Sorry about that. MSI has done a great job on the issue to date. They got me interested in time to submit an application pre stay. Thanks for all you and the other MSI Execs do.
Regards,
Jim K
Mr H
Banana'd
erase... erase... erase...
Thanks for stepping up and clarifying the situation. It really does help in the mental gymnastics a lot of us are doing daily.
Maryland Hunter
Ultimate Member
- Feb 1, 2008
- 3,194
No problem here. I'm glad that we found out it was just a misunderstanding, rather than another game that we had to worry that the state was playing.
Though I'm sure that they will play more.
MH
Patrick
MSI Executive Member
Let's review a few things:
- There are about 9 Trillion Federal Laws on Firearms
- Maryland does its best to match the Fed
- This whole thing is a fracking mess
Seriously, our britches are not that tight.
Thanks for playing along and for helping in everything you have done, and will do. Really.
As it turns out, MSP did "letter deny" at least one person who applied pre-stay. We captured the details.
yellowsled
Retired C&R Addict
id love to see that.
Patrick
MSI Executive Member
Holy cow. MSI isn't the "sensitive" type.
I didn't take you inquiry as negative; I took it as a legitimate question asking what we could do to help the membership. That is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask.
The simple truth is we are not a law firm. We are a civil rights organization who will do our best to show you what works. So when we come up with a "formula", it will be yours to replicate in several milliseconds.
We do openly request that people try several approaches. The simple fact is that until someone documents a variable, it is unknown. We are openly asking some of you to help us by gambling your time and your treasure. Our exec members are also doing the same. But the more we get, the more chances we get to figure out the state, or frankly force them to address issues that they had not considered.
The permit returns are a gray area. We don't know what the hell they are thinking right now. Not sure they do, either. I have even dipped into conspiratorial areas myself on that one, but some are pulling back from the edge (thanks esq).
Point is, as a member you have a right to ask questions and get answers. That is not a negative thing. MSI is literally an organic group of thousands of like-minded individuals. We'd all be a bunch of whining gun nuts without each other.
Thanks for the support and the willingness to go for your rights.
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
gmhowell
Not Banned Yet
No problem. I rather enjoy being a professional wet blanket...
If that's true, you should consider a career as an attorney.
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
Merlin
Ultimate Member
Not a problem my friend. I didn't think you meant anything by it. To be fair to you often I read the crap I write after I post it and it sounds much different than I meant it to or wanted to say.
And that's when I'm not doing the dumb a$$ thing of starting at the start of a thread and post a bunch of stuff everyone that has been in the post before me have already read over and over again.
Stay cool
I bet all of this drove the AGs office and MSP leadership absolutely nuts!
So in my mind no harm no foul.
I didn't realize that we had a documented pre-stay denial. I didn't see that looking back in the thread. Any chance of getting it posted, or is it completely identical to the post stay denials?
I am making my plans for my appeal should the same happen, including obtaining legal representation going forward and possibly at the hearing, and it would be helpful in preparing for such as I may likely pursue the litigation path and pursuit of damages should counsel deem this viable and appropriate.
I am making my plans for my appeal should the same happen, including obtaining legal representation going forward and possibly at the hearing, and it would be helpful in preparing for such as I may likely pursue the litigation path and pursuit of damages should counsel deem this viable and appropriate.
Mr H
Banana'd
I didn't see it either... but there was chatter that "off-channel" information was coming through. I'm guessing this was among that.
If MSI/SAF has that information, that's great. It may be a one-off, it may be something. The pros will know what to do with it.
Patrick
MSI Executive Member
The one we got right now was actually received by MSP the day before the stay. Chances are the mail got opened a day late and he fell into the post-stay crowd by accident. So far we haven't seen any determined effort to deny/refuse to process pre-stay applications. I think this one got miscategorized.
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
Interesting. Verrrry Interesting. I wonder if they don't have any authority to cut a state check as a refund. After all the $75 was unrefundable. Maybe they are hoisted on their own petard of regulations for the apps for which they cashed the check.....
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