HANDGUN QUALIFICATION LICENSE (HQL)

Pinecone · Aug 27, 2013

One correction.

Handgun SALES will not stop. Handgun DELIVERIES will get VERY slow. Remember, active and retired military and LEO do not need to have an HQL.

R81 · Aug 28, 2013

Will an HQL be required to sell a gun?

dblas · Aug 28, 2013

R81 said:
Will an HQL be required to sell a gun?

HQL is required to:

Purchase

Rent

Receive

Not needed to sell.

MadCat0911 · Aug 29, 2013

Pinecone said:
One correction.

Handgun SALES will not stop. Handgun DELIVERIES will get VERY slow. Remember, active and retired military and LEO do not need to have an HQL.

I thought that was only an exemption for the training required to get an HQL and not an exemption from the HQL in general.

Mr H · Aug 29, 2013

MadCat0911 said:
I thought that was only an exemption for the training required to get an HQL and not an exemption from the HQL in general.

There are 2 different exemptions detailed in the bill text. One from the HQL itself, and one from the Training Requirement

Inigoes · Aug 29, 2013

dblas said:
HQL is required to:

Purchase

Rent

Receive

Not needed to sell.

MSP definition of "Receive" is "Possession"

ddeanjohnson · Aug 29, 2013

MadCat0911 said:
I thought that was only an exemption for the training required to get an HQL and not an exemption from the HQL in general.

This subject is addressed in Paragraph No. 1 of the thread titled, "SB 281: A detailed summary for non-lawyers," which is here:
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=114585

To summarize: The handgun license is not required for an active or "retired" member of the armed forces of the United States or the National Guard, for active or retired law enforcement officers. It is also not required to purchase any handgun defined in federal law as an antique, or curio/relic.

One must be age 21 to apply for the license. To obtain the license requires fingerprinting, a $50 fee paid to the state, and proof of satisfactory completion of either "a firearms safety training course approved by the Secretary [of the Maryland State Police]," which must be at least 4 hours long and cover certain specified subjects, or a DNR course that involves certain components. However, there are certain people who are exempted from the training requirement, including anyone who "lawfully owns a regulated firearm" on the day the law takes effect, and also any "honorably discharged member of the armed forces of the United States" -- these people still need the handgun qualification license, but would not be subject to the training requirement. Another exemption to the training requirement applies to a "qualified handgun instructor," which includes among others "a certified firearms instructor who . . . has a certification issued by a nationally recognized firearms organization."

ShallNotInfringe · Aug 29, 2013

Inigoes said:
MSP definition of "Receive" is "Possession"

WHAT??!?!?

Mr H · Aug 29, 2013

Aren't you glad I gave your car keys back??

mdram · Aug 29, 2013

how do you prove you own a regulated firearm?

ShallNotInfringe · Aug 29, 2013

mr h said:
Aren't you glad I gave your car keys back??

You betcha. So now we have magic involved in gun ownership...

Wonder how the NFL would like that new munge....

Mr H · Aug 29, 2013

mdram said:
how do you prove you own a regulated firearm?

Anything you purchased as a "regulated firearm" is on file with the state.

MSP can pull it up in a matter of seconds. And, as I found out the past few days, the database is anything BUT up to date.

I hope you made copies.

ShallNotInfringe · Aug 29, 2013

mdram said:
how do you prove you own a regulated firearm?

Welp, if'n you purchased in in MD, they know.

If you purchased it elsewhere, you have choices -

If this is in regard to the HQL:

1. Voluntarily register it/them
2. Take the training

If this is in regard to any other aspect of the new law:

1. Voluntarily register it/them
2. Keep your paperwork

Inigoes · Aug 29, 2013

ShallNotInfringe said:
WHAT??!?!?

Yep, that is what LT Cook said yesterday

ShallNotInfringe · Aug 29, 2013

Inigoes said:
Yep, that is what LT Cook said yesterday

So, the legislature writes specific language into law and the executive branch (MSP) has unilateral unfettered ability to redefine words?

If "possess" is equal to "receive" then there's a big mess around here.

Mr H · Aug 29, 2013

There has been a lot of chatter about "intent of the law" being part of the regulations.

No shock there.......

mdram · Aug 29, 2013

mr h said:
Anything you purchased as a "regulated firearm" is on file with the state.

MSP can pull it up in a matter of seconds. And, as I found out the past few days, the database is anything BUT up to date.

I hope you made copies.

states not supposed to keep a record............

Trumpet · Aug 29, 2013

Please forgive me if this has been answered already. ..I just purchased a handgun yesterday. If the "not disapproved" comes after October 1st, which I'm sure it will, do I now have to do all the fingerprinting crap even though it was purchased before October?

ShallNotInfringe · Aug 29, 2013

mr h said:
There has been a lot of chatter about "intent of the law" being part of the regulations.

No shock there.......

You cannot reinterpret language that is expressly written into legislation. There is no wiggle room.

If they redefine that word, there is going to be HUGE trouble with the entire PSA and Criminal Code.

mdram · Aug 29, 2013

Trumpet said:
Please forgive me if this has been answered already. ..I just purchased a handgun yesterday. If the "not disapproved" comes after October 1st, which I'm sure it will, do I now have to do all the fingerprinting crap even though it was purchased before October?

that's what is being said

but you cant even apply yet

what dealer did you use? do they release after 8 days?

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