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Decoy January 28th, 2008 04:37 PM

Annapolis Mayor wants Micro Stamping
 
The Front page of the free version of the examiner today. "Mayor Wants Guns to stamp fired shells" It seems Mayor Ellen Moyer has been drinking the CA Kool-Aid.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1183701~An...p_bullets.html

Jim Sr January 28th, 2008 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decoy (Post 60172)
The Front page of the free version of the examiner today. "Mayor Wants Guns to stamp fired shells" It seems Mayor Ellen Moyer has been drinking the CA Kool-Aid.

I'll post the web version when I find it.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1183701~An...p_bullets.html

http://www.examiner.com/printa-11837...p_bullets.html

http://www.examiner.com/a-1183701~An...rticleComments

HoChiWaWa January 28th, 2008 04:53 PM

has anyone even developed a feasible microstamping system?

K31 January 28th, 2008 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decoy (Post 60172)
The Front page of the free version of the examiner today. "Mayor Wants Guns to stamp fired shells" It seems Mayor Ellen Moyer has been drinking the CA Kool-Aid.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1183701~An...p_bullets.html

I would go along with this if Mayor Ellen would have "I am clueless" tattooed in large type on her forehead to prevent the tragedy of any non-Oprah-lead electorate ever putting her in office.

K31 January 28th, 2008 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoChiWaWa (Post 60176)
has anyone even developed a feasible microstamping system?

Yeah, it works great as long as the criminal abides by the rules and uses a new gun bought in his name, and doesn't file off the numbers, or buy a new firing pin, and doesn't use a revolver or doesn't pick up all the cases and is living in the same place as he was when he bought the gun when he does the crime. There, foolproof!

Norton January 28th, 2008 05:07 PM

Moyer is one of the most vacuous, incompetent politicians I've ever seen...and that's quite an accomplishment in Maryland.

HoChiWaWa January 28th, 2008 05:07 PM

so the firing pin stamps the primer? thats how it goes?

Jaybeez January 28th, 2008 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K31 (Post 60179)
Yeah, it works great as long as the criminal abides by the rules and uses a new gun bought in his name, and doesn't file off the numbers, or buy a new firing pin, and doesn't use a revolver or doesn't pick up all the cases and is living in the same place as he was when he bought the gun when he does the crime. There, foolproof!

And as long as we register and regulate spare firing pins, and as long as criminals dont use revolvers, and as long as you pick up all your brass at the range so the criminals dont spread other peoples fired shells around the crime scene.


Or do you mean it will work in another way? Since the technology is expensive and gunmakers may not want to go through the hassle and expense of creating new firearms for the maryland market, gunmakers may just stop selling firearms here. No new guns ='s the same thing as a ban.


Also , why would we need this NEW technology? Dont we already submit sample shells to the state police? Is this existingexpensive program inneffective and a waste of taxpayer money?

HoChiWaWa January 28th, 2008 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaybeez (Post 60185)
And as long as we register and regulate spare firing pins, and as long as criminals dont use revolvers, and as long as you pick up all your brass at the range so the criminals dont spread other peoples fired shells around the crime scene.


Or do you mean it will work in another way? Since the technology is expensive and gunmakers may not want to go through the hassle and expense of creating new firearms for the maryland market, gunmakers may just stop selling firearms here. No new guns ='s the same thing as a ban.


Also , why would we need this NEW technology? Dont we already submit sample shells to the state police? Is this existingexpensive program inneffective and a waste of taxpayer money?

those shells sit in unsorted barrels since they were never given any funding for building and mantaining a database.

Jim Sr January 28th, 2008 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoChiWaWa (Post 60176)
has anyone even developed a feasible microstamping system?

MICROSTAMPING

Background:
Microstamping is a proposed means for imprinting unique serial numbers onto cartridges fired from a gun. Similar to “ballistic fingerprinting,” it allegedly helps police identify what firearm might have been used in a crime. Microstamping uses precision equipment to remove microscopic amounts of metal from the tip of the firing pin

Myth: Independent testing by

forensic technologists shows the

technology is reliable
Fact:


Firing pins are readily removable and swappable in most models of handguns, and inexpensive replacement parts. Criminals who file down serial numbers on the sides of guns won’t hesitate to file or exchange firing pins.

Fact:
46% of impressions ranked as “unsatisfactory” (i.e., illegible) after only ten rounds.47

Myth: Filing the firing pin will make the gun inoperable

Fact:
Firing pins are designed to be pushed deeply into the primer (igniter) of the round. The depth of the engraving (approximately 0.005 inch)48 is vastly smaller than the tolerance of the firing pins drive depth.

Fact:
In a test, the engravings were removed using a 50-year-old knife sharpening stone in less than a minute. The firearm still operated correctly after the filing.49

Fact:
Even if a criminal does not file down the firing pin, they might retrieve spent cartridges.
If they use a revolver, the cartridges stay with the firearm and are rarely recovered by police.

Myth: The cost per firearm will be cheap

Fact:
The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the representative for firearm manufactures, estimates the cost will be upwards of $150 per firearm, more than tripling the price of selfprotection and making it unaffordable for low-income people.50 The Brady Campaign dispute those with firearm manufacturing experience claiming microstamping would cost only 50¢?

Myth: The numbers will let police find the gun’s owner

Fact:
Most crime guns are stolen property, 51 which makes finding the original owner worthless.

47
“NanoTagTM Markings From Another Perspective”, George G. Krivosta, Suffolk County Crime Laboratory, Hauppauge, New York, Winter 2006 edition of the AFTE Journal
48
Ibid
49
Ibid
50
“Etched bullets interest law enforcement”, The Record, September 25, 2006
51
“Armed and Considered Dangerous”, U.S. Department of Justice, 1986
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Jim Sr January 28th, 2008 05:43 PM

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Decoy January 28th, 2008 05:47 PM

This is nothing more than another back alley gun ban just like in CA.

Jim Sr January 28th, 2008 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decoy (Post 60211)
This is nothing more than another back ally gun ban just like in CA.

Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.
- PERICLES (430 BC)


“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
— Marcus Tullius Cicero was born on January 3, 106 BC and was murdered on December 7, 43 BC.

novus collectus January 28th, 2008 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HoChiWaWa (Post 60184)
so the firing pin stamps the primer? thats how it goes?

I think the CA law makes it so the bolthead is stamed to so the set back of the case is pushed agianst it and stamps the brass too.
THis however is not as tested as the firing pin and some people think it will lead to greater fatigue of the metal and frame sooner.

wlc January 31st, 2008 10:24 AM

If this ever passes - you will now have to pick up brass from every round you fire
so criminals don't get them and drop them at a crime scene.

K31 January 31st, 2008 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wlc (Post 61343)
If this ever passes - you will now have to pick up brass from every round you fire
so criminals don't get them and drop them at a crime scene.

If this ever passes the law-abiding that haven't/can't move out of state will pay the exorbitant cost of buying one of these weapons, go through the odious registration process, all of the information will be forwarded to the MSP where it will SIT RIGHT BESIDE THE TRASH BINS FULL OF TEST-FIRED "BALLISTIC FINGERPRINT" CASES THEY DO NOTHING WITH. So no worries about criminals snagging your used cases. If a good LEO does find such a case at a crime scene he will know immediately that such a seeding has occurred.

Half-cocked January 31st, 2008 11:17 AM

Do any of these geniuses know that revolvers don't eject spent casings?

Jim Sr January 31st, 2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Half-cocked (Post 61364)
Do any of these geniuses know that revolvers don't eject spent casings?

What casings? :innocent0 :D :thumbsup:

wlc January 31st, 2008 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Half-cocked (Post 61364)
Do any of these geniuses know that revolvers don't eject spent casings?


Don't you know criminals don't use revolvers, only Assualt Weapons :lol2:

Half-cocked January 31st, 2008 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Sr (Post 61370)
What casings? :innocent0 :D :thumbsup:

Please - don't give them any ideas, or they'll try to ban them, next!


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