First time carry in PA

[AvidRider]

Hello everyone! I'm new here and this is my first time posting. However, I've been following several threads on this board and it appears there is a lot of knowledge from the members on this forum.

I live in Maryland and I am taking a day trip to PA in the upcoming week. I have my Utah non-resident CCW permit and would like to carry for the first time. I'm just curious what to expect the first time that I carry. I'm visiting the Cabela's store up in Hamburg, PA so I won't be going into Philadelphia and worrying about their stricter policies.

Anyone have any advice they can share with me?

Thanks.

[HardHatMan]

Just remember, carrying a gun is like having 2 dicks, 'cept one can kill.


J/k :D. I only carry on my property. Someone with better knowledge will chime in soon. BTW, welcome to the forum!

[danielw]

I've never had a problem carring concealed in Pa. or Del. I also live in Md. and have a Utah non resident permit. I also have Fla N.H. and Va non resident permits. I'm usually on a motorcyle when I'm carring. Have had Pa. state police run the #s on my bike but never had a problem carrying.

[MDGolom]

Hello everyone! I'm new here and this is my first time posting. However, I've been following several threads on this board and it appears there is a lot of knowledge from the members on this forum.

I live in Maryland and I am taking a day trip to PA in the upcoming week. I have my Utah non-resident CCW permit and would like to carry for the first time. I'm just curious what to expect the first time that I carry. I'm visiting the Cabela's store up in Hamburg, PA so I won't be going into Philadelphia and worrying about their stricter policies.

Anyone have any advice they can share with me?

Thanks.

Welcome to the forum. I too just did my first CCW to PA this past weekend and went to Cabelas.

I kept everything locked up in the trunk and stopped at the rest stop on 83 just over the MD/PA line to load my gun. On the way back you can stop someplace off Exit 3 (Shrewsbury) to unload and lock it up.

The best advise I got was to leave it alone since that only draws attention. Since PA is concealed/open carry state, it's not going to matter if the barrel peaks out a little or the gun prints.

Enjoy. From what I've heard it gets easier.

[AvidRider]

I've never had a problem carring concealed in Pa. or Del. I also live in Md. and have a Utah non resident permit. I also have Fla N.H. and Va non resident permits. I'm usually on a motorcyle when I'm carring. Have had Pa. state police run the #s on my bike but never had a problem carrying.

Ahhh! Another motorcyclist who carries. This is something I can relate to....

A couple of us are making a trip in May 2011 to TN, NC, VA and then back home. We decided that we will be carrying as every state on our trip except Maryland is "Carry-friendly".

MDGolom - thanks. This is the type of info I need. It is a subject that not a lot of Marylanders know about. It's amazing when I try to hold a conversation with a fellow Maryland resident about concealed carry that they become defensive like you want to commit a crime. My dad, for example, did not like at all the conversation we were having about carrying in Delaware, Pennsylvania, etc. It was a right that he has never had(lived in Maryland all his life) and just simply doesn't understand it.

[EWO]

Ahhh! Another motorcyclist who carries. This is something I can relate to....

A couple of us are making a trip in May 2011 to TN, NC, VA and then back home. We decided that we will be carrying as every state on our trip except Maryland is "Carry-friendly".



Sounds like a trip to the Dragon! :party29:

I will offer this advise. Try any carry rig you get around your house for a bit before you leave. I bought a Supertuck holster and tried to wear it the first time I carried in VA, and it squeaked like crazy every step. It was a dead giveaway. So, I fortunately had my Serpa holster and a long shirt as a backup.

[AvidRider]

Sounds like a trip to the Dragon! :party29:

That's exactly what it is...I didn't refer to the dragon since most who don't ride don't know what you're talking about. If you wanna go, we've got room on the road for another bike. :cool:

BTW - MDGolom, did you have to check in your gun at Cabela's or leave it outside? I wasn't sure of Cabela's Concealed Carry policy.

[alucard0822]

Concealed carry is boringly uneventful up here, and to a degree open carry too, as it should be.

Browse through this link for where it is legal and not legal to carry. There are very few places where not legal to carry in PA. Also keep in mind while federal and state parks are OK for carry, federal BUILDINGS are not, this includes most historical landmarks, post offices and the like. You can even print off a pamplet, or pertinent carry information, and keep it with you in case you have a question. For the most part if there isn't a law aggainst something, it is legal by default.

PA uniform firearms act (http://paopencarry.org/uniform-firearms-act)


The #1 thing to remember is if by chance you have to deal with the police like getting pulled over, and this pretty much applies anywhere.

hand them your DL and permit, keep your hands visible, and say these exact words "Hello officer, I am licensed to carry, I do have it on me, how would you like to proceed", then follow their instructions exactly. Never say the word "gun" to a police officer, ever, refer to it as "it", "carry peice", CCW" or most anything else, avoid using the term weapon, and once again, never say "gun". The nice professional veteran officer you are talking to may be fine, but the nervous young rookie you don't see coming up the passenger side just hears "Ive got a gun", and could pannick. If they ask for registration or something that requires you to move your hands from immediate view, inform them it is in your glove box(or wherever it is) and ask if you may retrieve it. I have gone through this 3 times (ICE check points, and as a witness to an accident) in all cases they were polite, professional, and told me they appreciated my help, they barely looked at my information before handing them back, and have never asked anything other than to not touch my weapon.

[Phoenix_1295]

I've never had a problem carring concealed in Pa. or Del. I also live in Md. and have a Utah non resident permit. I also have Fla N.H. and Va non resident permits. I'm usually on a motorcyle when I'm carring. Have had Pa. state police run the #s on my bike but never had a problem carrying.

I ride also, but have not had the occasion to carry while riding. I have a touring bike, so I figured I would put firearm in one saddle bag and ammo in the other, while transporting in MD.

[JSW]

BTW - MDGolom, did you have to check in your gun at Cabela's or leave it outside? I wasn't sure of Cabela's Concealed Carry policy.[/QUOTE]

my last trip there I was carrying concealed and that is were it stayed--no problem from anyone in the store.

[xd40c]

I will never carry Open, only concealed. If you're carrying Open and find yourself in a SHTF situation, guess who gets all the attention?? You got it, the one with the gun.

Keep it covered. Don't touch it. Pay it no mind.

http://www.victoriya-security.ru/eng/consultation.php?id=25

[Curmudgeon]

Concealed carry is boringly uneventful up here, and to a degree open carry too, as it should be.

Browse through this link for where it is legal and not legal to carry. There are very few places where not legal to carry in PA. Also keep in mind while federal and state parks are OK for carry, federal BUILDINGS are not, this includes most historical landmarks, post offices and the like. You can even print off a pamplet, or pertinent carry information, and keep it with you in case you have a question. For the most part if there isn't a law aggainst something, it is legal by default.

PA uniform firearms act (http://paopencarry.org/uniform-firearms-act)


The #1 thing to remember is if by chance you have to deal with the police like getting pulled over, and this pretty much applies anywhere.

hand them your DL and permit, keep your hands visible, and say these exact words "Hello officer, I am licensed to carry, I do have it on me, how would you like to proceed", then follow their instructions exactly. Never say the word "gun" to a police officer, ever, refer to it as "it", "carry peice", CCW" or most anything else, avoid using the term weapon, and once again, never say "gun". The nice professional veteran officer you are talking to may be fine, but the nervous young rookie you don't see coming up the passenger side just hears "Ive got a gun", and could pannick. If they ask for registration or something that requires you to move your hands from immediate view, inform them it is in your glove box(or wherever it is) and ask if you may retrieve it. I have gone through this 3 times (ICE check points, and as a witness to an accident) in all cases they were polite, professional, and told me they appreciated my help, they barely looked at my information before handing them back, and have never asked anything other than to not touch my weapon.


Like you (sounds like anyway) I have been around numerous LEOs while carrying (openly for me) and it has never been an issue, and only once became a part of the conversation. I have never been pulled over or in similar "trouble" though, so that likely plays into it.

I just wanted to make sure it was known that in PA you are under no legal obligation to inform a LEO that you are carrying. We have seen these encounters go both ways, regardless of the carriers behavior, so there are no guaranteed outcomes. Use your best judgment and make your best decision.

I will never carry Open, only concealed. If you're carrying Open and find yourself in a SHTF situation, guess who gets all the attention?? You got it, the one with the gun.

Keep it covered. Don't touch it. Pay it no mind.

http://www.victoriya-security.ru/eng/consultation.php?id=25



That open carriers are the first to be targeted is pure myth. I have been looking for some kind of evidence of the truth of this possibility for years and have yet to see anything to support it. Neither has anyone I've ever spoken to about it.

Think about it, seriously. This isn't a Hollywood movie set. Criminals are looking for the easy mark. They want money, not a shoot-out. What I have seen and read are countless reports of encounters with what appear to be criminal intent where the would-be attacker suddenly has a change of heart once the openly carried weapon is noticed. The OCer often does not have to draw or touch the weapon, and the situation is immediately diffused with potential bad guy making tracks for the horizon.

There are 2 examples in just the past year or so, and right down in Virgina, where an OCer found himself in a "SHTF" situation...

One was a Waffle House, where perps were "casing" the restaurant for robbery, one walked in and saw the OCer at the counter and returned to his car to wait for the OCer to leave. Cops rolled up on them for their suspicious appearance and activity, they admitted the OCer stopped them from carrying out their plans. IIRC, the OCer knew nothing about it. This is documented in the police report.

Found a link... http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-atlanta/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw

Second one was a convenience store or gas 'n go, perp dashed in with a gun and attempted to rob the place, never bothering with the other customers, one of whom was an older gentleman openly carrying a large cap and ball revolver in a hip holster. Gun shots exchanged, old man wounded, perp was killed if I remember correctly. Good guy was never targeted until he attempted to intervene and stop the robbery. Also documented.

So much for making yourself a target. :D

It is important that each individual carry in a manner that he is comfortable with, and in a manner for which he has trained. I have never advocated that someone else always carry "this one way" or "that one way", I'm just glad to see anyone carrying, period. There are pros and cons to each, of course, and there are plenty of facts available to help one choose what is best.

Let's leave the myths for the Brady Campaign, and notice that I have made no declarative statements about your choices or methods of carrying. ;)

.

[MDGolom]

BTW - MDGolom, did you have to check in your gun at Cabela's or leave it outside? I wasn't sure of Cabela's Concealed Carry policy.


No need to check it or leave it in the car. They have a sign requiring you to check the gun if you're bringing it in for service, to sell or a fitting. I'm guessing they want to make sure it's unloaded if you're going to be pulling it out in the store.

[K-Romulus]

I hate to be the spoil sport, but I really believe in extensive prep before any endeavor.

Before you head out, you should take a look at the discussion in this thread about MSP's view on what you plan to do:
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=45912

It is better to make an informed choice then to get caught flat-footed. A lot of us looked at that thread like WTF and made the informed choice to keep doin' what we're doin'.

[alucard0822]

BTW - MDGolom, did you have to check in your gun at Cabela's or leave it outside? I wasn't sure of Cabela's Concealed Carry policy.

my last trip there I was carrying concealed and that is were it stayed--no problem from anyone in the store.[/QUOTE]

Store policy is not law. At gun shows or some gun shops, if they see it, they will want to check it, or zip tie it open or some such nonsense. That is the beauty of concealed carry, walk right through the checkpoint, and nobody is the wiser.

Like you (sounds like anyway) I have been around numerous LEOs while carrying (openly for me) and it has never been an issue, and only once became a part of the conversation. I have never been pulled over or in similar "trouble" though, so that likely plays into it.

I just wanted to make sure it was known that in PA you are under no legal obligation to inform a LEO that you are carrying. We have seen these encounters go both ways, regardless of the carriers behavior, so there are no guaranteed outcomes. Use your best judgment and make your best decision.
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True, you are under no legal obligation to inform, but IMO being up front about it puts you and the officer at ease, if you don't tell them, and they see the gun by accident then the situation will take a turn for the worse, and could become very dangerous and quick. Police are trained to look for weapons, notice the subtle signs of concealed carry, and are usually quite good at it, it is up to everyone to make their own decision, but mine is to inform.

[CavJoshh]

I'm from Pennsylvania (Wellsboro/Williamsport originally and lived in Pottsville for a bit). My father was a police officer in Williamsport for 18 years (bought out the other 2 with military time) and is now a bounty hunter/P.I. I open carry every single time I have gone to PA in both my shoulder holster and my hip holster. I haven't done the Utah course yet (Hoping for January) but I have never had a single issue anywhere. I have been in all matter of stores, restaurants and parks and seen police multiple times and have never even been stopped. It might help that I'm former military and therefore keep no facial hair (cept some scruff on the weekends) and am built/carry myself like so.

Either way this is a great website for OpenCarry.Org (http://opencarry.org/) that keeps pretty up to date with all things open carry and even goes into Travel, Age to OC, Airports, Restaurants, Machine Guns, Private Transfers, State Preemption laws and Grandfathered Local gun laws. Makes you feel a little better about the country when you see how many states you can open carry in without any permits at all.

[gamer_jim]

Hello everyone! I'm new here and this is my first time posting. However, I've been following several threads on this board and it appears there is a lot of knowledge from the members on this forum.

I live in Maryland and I am taking a day trip to PA in the upcoming week. I have my Utah non-resident CCW permit and would like to carry for the first time. I'm just curious what to expect the first time that I carry. I'm visiting the Cabela's store up in Hamburg, PA so I won't be going into Philadelphia and worrying about their stricter policies.

Anyone have any advice they can share with me?

Thanks.

Being a MD resident myself, I just had my first CCW experience in VA.

Nothing to fear in Philly if you have a permit (UT counts as they reciprocate). Only thing different in Philly is you can't OC without a permit.

Read up on handgunlaw.us and know where you can and cannot carry.

http://handgunlaw.us/states/pennsylvania.pdf

Basically everywhere but courthouses and public K-12 schools. Court houses are supposed to have lockers for you gun if you go there ask to use one. They do ban cell phones in PA courts though and you can't use a locker for it.

Also casinos with a conspicuous "no guns" sign. PA has a state pre-emenance law so no need to worry about local rules and regulations, regarding where you can carry. However I did see a "no weapons" sign at a city park in Hanover PA. They can't enforce this due to state law.

"No Guns" signs in retail stores, or restaurants mean nothing. They have to ask you to leave if a manager doesn't like your gun and if you don't leave they could charge you with trespassing (a misdemeanor).

You can carry in all parks (federal and state) within PA, but if the game warden thinks you are illegally hunting things could get a little messy.

I think as of now PA does not have a "Stand your ground" law. They are working on it however. So you must exhaust all avenues of retreat before using a weapon in self defense. IANAL.

My advice, keep it well concealed and arm yourself in the car. Make sure no one is right next to you when you do this. Wear your carry rig, with gun, around the house for many hours while your doing house/yard work. Get use to it being there. Wear layers. Keep your permit and drivers license easily accessible, like in your front shirt pocket. Also, print out this:

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184

... and keep it on you. I've read a couple horror stories on PAFOA website where some LEO's didn't think a non-PA permit was honored by PA.

Have you thought out what would happen if you do have to shoot in self defense? Do you know an attorney you could call? Keep your cell phone on you and charged.

When I carried in VA for the first time last weekend I kept checking people's faces to see the look of horror on their face when a man with a gun walked by. Of course it didn't happen but my nervousness the first time would have gotten the attention of someone who knew what to look for. It would have been nice to do this with a veteran CCW'er my first time to put my mind at ease but now that it's over with I'd feel more confident the next time.

Good luck and let us know how it goes. Also, if you live in northern Carroll or Baltimore county shoot me a PM and we'll do the Wally Walk together.

[mr h]

I ride also, but have not had the occasion to carry while riding. I have a touring bike, so I figured I would put firearm in one saddle bag and ammo in the other, while transporting in MD.

I have a bagless cruiser, so I suppose I would have to get some sort of locking case for a carry bag to accomplish the MD portion of any trip.

That said, though, Could it be that I'm smelling a spring bike ride to Cabela's??

:innocent0

FWIW, my wife has graciously offered (since she doesn't ride) to "drive the bus/support vehicle" for any rides I go on. So, any non-riders could still come along (assuming we WANT them along, of course :D ), and we could have storage/transport for any spoils that may be acquired from the trip.

[Curmudgeon]

I'm from Pennsylvania (Wellsboro/Williamsport originally and lived in Pottsville for a bit). My father was a police officer in Williamsport for 18 years (bought out the other 2 with military time) and is now a bounty hunter/P.I. I open carry every single time I have gone to PA in both my shoulder holster and my hip holster. I haven't done the Utah course yet (Hoping for January) but I have never had a single issue anywhere. I have been in all matter of stores, restaurants and parks and seen police multiple times and have never even been stopped. It might help that I'm former military and therefore keep no facial hair (cept some scruff on the weekends) and am built/carry myself like so.

Either way this is a great website for OpenCarry.Org (http://opencarry.org/) that keeps pretty up to date with all things open carry and even goes into Travel, Age to OC, Airports, Restaurants, Machine Guns, Private Transfers, State Preemption laws and Grandfathered Local gun laws. Makes you feel a little better about the country when you see how many states you can open carry in without any permits at all.




Other than Utah, do you have a carry license/permit from any other state? If not, when you cross over into PA how do you transport?

PA firearms transport is essentially the same as MD's laws, ie, unloaded with gun and ammo separate, etc., and only transporting to a very limited set of places, range, gun shop, gun smith... like that.

In PA, transporting to visit with family, or to go shopping, or to go out and OC somewhere is a violation of PA law, and is either a 1st degree misdemeanor, or a 3rd degree felony, depending on whether or not you are already a prohibited person at the time. Either situation renders one prohibited for life.

Please people, give firearms carry it's due consideration. Long before you even think of leaving Maryland and attempting to enjoy the freedoms of other states, freedoms you ought to have in Maryland anyway, make sure you know the laws for the area you are visiting. In the words of an attorney who regularly posts on our PA forum... (and I'm paraphrasing here)...

"Our criminal justice system isn't some game you can play in. It is a giant hammer waiting to smash you to pieces because you are an evil gun-owner and they mostly don't like you."

We are playing with fire here, and I hate to see well-meaning, law-abiding patriots getting ambushed by our own legal system, and ruined.

Be smart. Get informed. Then know and follow the laws. I strongly suggest to anyone considering going to PA or VA to join their respective forums and get advice from folks who know the score before you do it.

PA: http://forum.pafoa.org/
VA: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?130-Virginia

Trust me, you will be met with open arms and an incredible level of support. PA is anything but a shangri-la for firearms owners, as we have had countless law-abiding citizens jacked up over perfectly legal conduct. True it is somewhat rare, but you need to know what you are facing and the potential for disaster before you do it.

Fore-warned is fore-armed. ;)

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[mrjam2jab]

I'm from Pennsylvania (Wellsboro/Williamsport originally and lived in Pottsville for a bit). My father was a police officer in Williamsport for 18 years (bought out the other 2 with military time) and is now a bounty hunter/P.I. I open carry every single time I have gone to PA in both my shoulder holster and my hip holster. I haven't done the Utah course yet (Hoping for January) but I have never had a single issue anywhere. I have been in all matter of stores, restaurants and parks and seen police multiple times and have never even been stopped. It might help that I'm former military and therefore keep no facial hair (cept some scruff on the weekends) and am built/carry myself like so.



Have you considered getting a permit from Arizona (http://www.azdps.gov/Services/Concealed_Weapons/Reciprocity/)? Training requirements are more abundant...you may have one already...Hunters Ed...or NRA class.

You can carry in all parks (federal and state) within PA, but if the game warden thinks you are illegally hunting things could get a little messy.


slight clarification....PA state parks require concealed carry...

[AvidRider]

Thanks guys. It appears that I'll be OK. First time carry will probably make me paranoid, but I guess that's a good thing. It shows that I am concerned about following the law and not turning into a rebel. :rolleyes:

Well, I have actually been wearing my 40M&P compact in my IWB Tagua holster around my house. I had to get some of the leaves up the other day, so I just wore my handgun concealed to get the feeling of the gun on my waist. It's definitely different that's for sure.

[joppaj]

Get your belt and holster comfortable and don't freak out about a slight buldge. Learn to walk while moving both arms naturally. New carriers tend to have a "dead arm" on the side they're carrying on. It takes a while to get comfortable with but now I feel naked without my pistol.

[WSM]

Get your belt and holster comfortable and don't freak out about a slight buldge. Learn to walk while moving both arms naturally. New carriers tend to have a "dead arm" on the side they're carrying on. It takes a while to get comfortable with but now I feel naked without my pistol.

I flash my gun all over town when hiking up my pants or checking retention. I never get tired of the gasping and side stepping or people taking 3 steps away from me. Funny, they never say anything unless they are very curious. Goes to show you that you don't question the man with the gun.

[coolfrmn]

My 2 cents...
I live in VA, have a VA Res & Fla non Res permits.

1. Do walk around the house with what you are going to carry with. Get the little details taken care of before you go out in public.

2. Remeber, you will be harder on yourself than others. You know you have a gun, others don't. The average joe isn't looking for it. So take a deep breath and enjoy.

3. What ever state you visit. Go to their state police or Attorney general web site and print out their gun laws.
A. Va - http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm
B. Pa - http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=512&objID=4451&&PageID=462424&level=2&css=L2&mode=2
C. Pa Attorney Gen - http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184

4. I print a copy of the states' reciprocity agreement for the state/permit I'm in & hold. (LEOs can't know everything) (I keep them in my vehicle, not on me)

5. Some great sites to help in the reciprocity issue.
A. http://www.usacarry.com/
B. http://www.handgunlaw.us/
C. http://www.carryconcealed.net/

[navycraig]

I'll be going to Philly this weekend for the Army/Navy football game and plan to exercise my right to carry conceled using my VA and/or FL non-resident permits. I know I can't carry at the game, but will enjoy knowing that I can at all other times.
I carry at all times in VA when I go visit my son so have gotten used to the .380 that I normally use in the summer months. This weekend will be with the 1911 .45 and like others have mentioned, I wear it at home to get used to the feeling.

[AvidRider]

Whew! Got that out of the way...

Let me tell ya, I can smell the freedom from mile marker 30 on 83 North and the smell gets stronger and stronger as I inched to the Pennsylvania line.

So once I crossed the border, I stopped at the Pennsylvania Welcome Center at mile 3 on 83 North. Pulled into a parking spot away from everyone else, unlocked the case that my Smith & Wesson 40M&P Compact was in...reached for my unloaded magazine in the back of the truck and loaded 10 bullets and loaded the gun. Slipped the gun on my right hip and started driving to Cabela's.

I was at Cabela's for probably about 2 1/2 hours and carrying the entire time. I decided to just unload the gun when I got back in the truck at Cabela's as I didn't feel like having to stop just prior to the Maryland line.

The experience itself was actually quite pleasant. I didn't get the overly paranoid feeling and the illusion that everyone was looking at my hip and noticing a weapon. There were several people that, in my mind, appeared to look down at my hip and notice some printing, but I'm not for sure. Quite frankly, I don't think people really cared, since the firearms department looks as if everyone was waiting for tickets for a concert expecting to sell out. They were really busy. Guess everyone wanted their firearms before ObamaCare took full effect.

Thanks for prepping me for my first experience conceal carrying. I think all in all it went quite well. It felt pretty natural.

[gamer_jim]

Congrats on your first time and thanks for sharing. Hopefully in a couple years we can do the same here in MD.

I didn't get the overly paranoid feeling and the illusion that everyone was looking at my hip and noticing a weapon. There were several people that, in my mind, appeared to look down at my hip and notice some printing, but I'm not for sure.
When I was younger I used to check the young ladies for underwear lines. Now I check out older dudes for gun printing. :D See what 11 years of marriage does to you.

[WSM]

I'll be going to Philly this weekend for the Army/Navy football game and plan to exercise my right to carry conceled using my VA and/or FL non-resident permits. I know I can't carry at the game, but will enjoy knowing that I can at all other times.
I carry at all times in VA when I go visit my son so have gotten used to the .380 that I normally use in the summer months. This weekend will be with the 1911 .45 and like others have mentioned, I wear it at home to get used to the feeling.

Check their policy, you may actually be able to carry.

[mr h]

When I was younger I used to check the young ladies for underwear lines. Now I check out older dudes for gun printing. :D See what 11 years of marriage does to you.

ROFL!!!

Oh... wait... I agree....

:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2:

[navycraig]

Check their policy, you may actually be able to carry.

No, they have signs posted and an announcement playing over and over that strictly prohibits it. Can't even take a pocket knife in. It's like flying I guess.

[gamer_jim]

... It's like flying I guess.
So you get the "happy ending" before it starts?

[jmjax14]

congrats on your carry enabled road trip. i was stationed up in PA and worked at a gun shop in the area so pretty much anytime i was not on station i would ccw:D. Now stationed in MD i walk around feeling naked :sad20: i miss it so we had like 5 nice gunstores within a 20miles from us....... im gonna go cry now