Philippine Knife Fighting- eskrima kombatan

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Philippine Knife fighting techniques have been used in Cinema for years

Just imagine that the Sticks represent Bolo blades ( short machetes) and for safety and to get around prohibitions, the Arnis or fighting sticks were developed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZHxWkf8RBk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s66QUVtyDpc&feature=related

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The last time I saw the Philippine Knife Fighting technique I was on my hands and knees trying to get the heck outta the bar.

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The last time I saw the Philippine Knife Fighting technique I was on my hands and knees trying to get the heck outta the bar.

Me too...LOL ,Clark or Subic bay?

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Subic, but with plausible deniability.

[fivepointstar]

If you encounter a Filipino knife fighter on the street.....run or shoot b/c you're about to get filleted.

[august1410]

If you encounter a Filipino knife fighter on the street.....run or shoot b/c you're about to get filleted.

Excellent point. I will be more vigilant from now on. :thumbsup:

[STSCM]

If you encounter a Filipino knife fighter on the street.....run or shoot b/c you're about to get filleted.

Yea, if they say you 'Butterfly', run like heck, trust me.

[Yoshi]

Maryland Thai Boxing in Columbia teaches Kali-Silat if you're interested. Great bunch of guys.

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The use of the balisong, Kali or balintawak style of knife fighting was learned as a right of passage from the streets. It was a must have survival skill that was required to live in the slums of Manila.

I'm pretty much interested in learning this kind of combat skill. FPS might be inclined to teach. ( I forgot, he upgraded to a Glock...lol)

[boss66tcode]

I have great respect for Arnis, Escrima, and the other schools of thought on Philipino knife fighting. It must be lethal stuff if it sent the conquistadors back to ships looking for more guns.

If FPS is up to giving pointers, I'd be a most observant student.

[fivepointstar]

my dad gave me a hand made balisong, my favorite in my collection. all my others are cheap chinese made ones.

[HonestFool03]

I used to train with Eskrima sticks.

FUNNNNNNNNNNNNN stuff.

Seriously, wicked wicked cool things.

A Flip buddy taught me, he was insanely good with them.

[phenamunan]

I ran into across some dudes in the course of my travels that trained in stick fighting. I played with them for a bit, nice technique and cultural exchange. They would tell me, "you got your chi and your joint locks and all those fancy strikes, we got L.L."

I said, "What's L.L?"

"Live Longer"

Good times.

[lx1x]

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/video/video.php?v=94194640289&ref=mf

if you can see this.. heres a family friend.. we use to pick on him when he was a kid.. now look what he accomplished..

hate to be in a fight w/ him..

balisongs.. i have couple of them are hand made from batangas.. i used to have a double edge that can cut thru coins.. it has dissappeard.. it was wodden hand carved handle..

[Yoshi]

Ever see the Dog Brothers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVhZBDgcUxQ

[lx1x]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s66QUVtyDpc&NR=1

how easy one can get killed in a blink of an eye.. :lol

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I want to learn Palit-Palit ( Multiple enemies) and the Empty hand technique. This fighting method seems to be suited for our times. It is Dirty and uses whatever means to stop the opponent. The only winning score is " surviving the encounter". One of my biggest fears is facing a knife. That is up there with big hairy spiders and Water Snakes. But watching escrima/ kali fights , even in the movies is cool.

[lx1x]

the older brother is a second degree (probably higher now) has thought me few moves way back then.. the problem being.. you have to be coordinated to do this stuff.. which im lacking in that department.

[Norton]

the older brother is a second degree (probably higher now) has thought me few moves way back then.. the problem being.. you have to be coordinated to do this stuff.. which im lacking in that department.

You and me both. That's why I went with Krav Maga....it suited my learning style much better than more technical disciplines like this.

[Chris L]

My wife and I trained with Escrima sticks once. Years ago we used to train in Aikido at a dojo in Parkville owned by a Chiropractor she used to work with. He also taught Pentjak Silat and we took a Silat seminar that he taught. The sticks were awesome to train with.

[lx1x]

You and me both. That's why I went with Krav Maga....it suited my learning style much better than more technical disciplines like this.

sad part.. i re-joined tae kwon do.. which is worst.. :banghead:

wish i didnt stop when i started when i was 20y.o.. now im paying for it(10+ years of being couch potato, age and no flexibility) .. :sad20:

[BadShot25]

balisongs.. i have couple of them are hand made from batangas.. i used to have a double edge that can cut thru coins.. it has dissappeard.. it was wodden hand carved handle..I'm from batangas and you can actually ask the vendors to cut or stab the knife through a coin before you buy it. I got a bunch of them that I brought back here with me.

[lx1x]

I'm from batangas and you can actually ask the vendors to cut or stab the knife through a coin before you buy it. I got a bunch of them that I brought back here with me.

cool! musta na.. :D i forgot what steel they used.. i went there when 89 never been back yet.. i'm way due to visit the motherland again..

[BadShot25]

:D musta! They said they use carbon steel. That's a long time, I was just there last year.

[Yoshi]

I trained with Escrima sticks while I took Kenpo. Loved 'em. That was awhile back and then got into Muay Thai where there also taught the sticks along with knife fighting. Good stuff!

[onatsky]

I'm from batangas and you can actually ask the vendors to cut or stab the knife through a coin before you buy it. I got a bunch of them that I brought back here with me.

ano ga? from taal, batangas too. :D

[onatsky]

cool! musta na.. :D i forgot what steel they used.. i went there when 89 never been back yet.. i'm way due to visit the motherland again..

they use rail road tracks, plows, leaf springs. as for the handles, most use carabao horns.

[BadShot25]

ano ga? from taal, batangas too. :Dala eh kumusta na ga? I'm from lobo, batangas right on the beach.

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I brought back a Beinte Nueve balisong from Batangas about 10 years ago. It had a Damascus /carbon steel blade , water buffalo handles and a brass frame.It also passed the coin stab test. Darn customs people confiscated it in New York.

My wife is from Batangas too... She said , Ive been spending too much time at the range lately... She might use a Balisong on me or worse, a mosin nagant bayonet.

[lx1x]

I brought back a Beinte Nueve balisong from Batangas about 10 years ago. It had a Damascus /carbon steel blade , water buffalo handles and a brass frame.It also passed the coin stab test. Darn customs people confiscated it in New York.

My wife is from Batangas too... She said , Ive been spending too much time at the range lately... She might use a Balisong on me or worse, a mosin nagant bayonet.

i didnt know better when i brought some back home.. but good thing my mom bought some kawali (pan) and that covered it. :cool:

[fivepointstar]

we should call this thread "Lita' Manila"

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FPS... Little Manila is a restaurant in Fairfax County. We should go there for some San Miguel Beer , Chicharon , sisig and kaldereta.

[august1410]

we should call this thread "Lita' Manila"

How about "Filipino Shooters- The Philippines' Premier Shooting Community"? :thumbsup:

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i didnt know better when i brought some back home.. but good thing my mom bought some kawali (pan) and that covered it. :cool:


Is this the balisong that you smuggled in? use the kawali as a shield.:innocent0

[lx1x]

FPS... Little Manila is a restaurant in Fairfax County. We should go there for some San Miguel Beer , Chicharon , sisig and kaldereta.

i thought that place has closed.. can i tag-a-long if you guys are planning..:D

[lx1x]

Is this the balisong that that smuggled in? use the kawali as a shield.:innocent0

:lol2::sad20::lol2::innocent0

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SPARTA!!!!!!!!

[rob-cubed]

I seriously have to learn Tagalog.

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Lx1x....

the Correct spelling is" You Can TAGAY along"

[lx1x]

Lx1x....

the Correct spelling is" You Can TAGAY along"

oops.. my bad.. :lol:

[onatsky]

I got San Miguel Beer! :beer: Let's go! :bannana:

[fivepointstar]

we still need to put a Bamboo Shoot and then San Miguel!

[jmira]

my Mother is from Bicol.. do I count too? I wont eat the food but the beer is ok =)

[fivepointstar]

My dad is Marinduque and my mom is from Batangas i think. I'm from Metro Manila.

jmira....you're like a brother bro!!

[Rattlesnake46319]

And people wonder why I swear by .45ACP.....guys like y'all. :D

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And people wonder why I swear by .45ACP.....guys like y'all. :D

45 ACP.... good choice:thumbsup::thumbsup:

You do know that the 45ACP and the Colt 1911 Pistol was adopted by the US Army to replace the .38 SW to put out Crazy Filipinos during the Philippine Insurrection and Morro uprising ( Jihad )

This was mainly due to the inability of the Krags and .38 revolvers to effectively stop a Machete ( bolo) wielding Pinoy, gone " amok" ( Ammuck) and charging into the Defensive Firing line. The Bolo weilding crazy was called" Huramentado" This guys was one of the first suicide dumbazzes in world. A huramentado, will shave all his body hair, get drugged up with talampunay ( opium poppies boiled in water), put tourniquets and grease all over his body and charge into the firing line. There is a documented case of a Huramentado reaching the defensive line afrom an open field after sustaining more than 100 shots from the Krag- Jorgenssen rifle before he was put down. The 45ACP can put down a Huramentado with a singlecenter mass shot. This is why,the Philippine Army, was one of the few Allied nations to the US that refused to adopt the 9mm and Stayed with the 45ACP up to this day.This is also why you see a lot of 1911's being imported from there.

The Butterfly Knife or Bali-song ( Beinte Nueve, total length was 29cm) also originated from that place. The Arnis ( stick fighting) was a bit of a modified martial Art form as the original method was to use two Bolos or machetes. Steven Seagal actually employs Kali- Philippine Knife fighting techniques in his movies, same thing with Jason Bourne and Jedi knights.:thumbsup:

And a lot of folks do not know, That if the Brits have the Gurkhas with their Kukris , The US Army had the Elite Philippine Scouts and the Bolo Blade ( disbanded in 1946).

Below:
Philippine Scouts during Bolo drill. The Philippine scouts were armed with the traditional Philippine machete-type weapon called a Bolo. This weapon was incorporated into the official US Army arsenal. These weapons are likely M1909 Bolo or “Smatchet” knives with a 14-inch blade. It was an ideal tool for clearing a path through difficult jungle. The rifles on the ground are M2 .22-caliber training rifles. They were used in training, particularly marksmanship training, instead of the service rifle because of the inexpensive .22-caliber ammunition.


Jose Calugas, Medal of Honor recipient ( Old glory behind the Philippine Flag,, The Philippines was a US colony until 1946)

[fivepointstar]

45 ACP.... good choice:thumbsup::thumbsup:

You do know that the 45ACP and the Colt 1911 Pistol was adopted by the US Army to replace the .38 SW to put out Crazy Filipinos during the Philippine Insurrection and Morro uprising ( Jihad )

This was mainly due to the inability of the Krags and .38 revolvers to effectively stop a Machete ( bolo) wielding Pinoy, gone " amok" ( Ammuck) and charging into the Defensive Firing line. The Bolo weilding crazy was called" Huramentado" This guys was one of the first suicide dumbazzes in world. A huramentado, will shave all his body hair, get drugged up with talampunay ( opium poppies boiled in water), put tourniquets and grease all over his body and charge into the firing line. There is a documented case of a Huramentado reaching the defensive line afrom an open field after sustaining more than 100 shots from the Krag- Jorgenssen rifle before he was put down. The 45ACP can put down a Huramentado with a singlecenter mass shot. This is why,the Philippine Army, was one of the few Allied nations to the US that refused to adopt the 9mm and Stayed with the 45ACP up to this day.This is also why you see a lot of 1911's being imported from there.
The Butterfly Knife or Bali-song ( Beinte Nueve, total length was 29cm) also originated from that place. The Arnis ( stick fighting) was a bit of a modified martial Art form as the original method was to use two Bolos or machetes. Steven Seagal actually employs Kali- Philippine Knife fighting techniques in his movies, same thing with Jason Bourne and Jedi knights.:thumbsup:

And a lot of folks do not know, That if the Brits have the Gurkhas with their Kukris , The US Army had the Elite Philippine Scouts and the Bolo Blade ( disbanded in 1946).

Great info SCAR

other than ARMSCOR are there any other 1911 mfg in the Phil???

IIRC ARMSCOR mfg the Firestorm 1911 and RIA, what else?

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FPS...


I think Shooters, Charles daly, KBI, and STI are also made there.

[fivepointstar]

FPS...


I think Shooters, Charles daly, KBI, and STI are also made there.

Learn something new every day. Are they mfg or just importers. I thought CDD/KBI imported firearms.

[SCARCQB]

An Original , Turn of the century Philippine Bolo. ( with scabbard)
used by my Grandfather during WW2 , when he was a member of the Philippine Scouts.

I love the Grip on this thing, It is made out of Philippine mahogany and rattan binding.

[lx1x]

An Original , Turn of the century Philippine Bolo.
used by my Grandfather during WW2 , when he was a member of the Philippine Scouts.

i was going to have you post a pic of that!! beat me to it.. :D:thumbsup:

but for you to use it to hack chickens head.. DATS WROOOOOOOOOOONG! ;)

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i was going to have you post a pic of that!! beat me to it.. :D:thumbsup:

but for you to use it to hack chickens head.. DATS WROOOOOOOOOOONG! ;)


My Gramps used it to cut up chicken to smaller pieces and tend to his garden when I was a Kid. That man, made the best Chicken adobo on this side of the planet. It is still in good shape after all these years... BTW, I just put it inside my gunsafe.

[BadShot25]

I brought back a Beinte Nueve balisong from Batangas about 10 years ago. It had a Damascus /carbon steel blade , water buffalo handles and a brass frame.It also passed the coin stab test. Darn customs people confiscated it in New York.Did they give you a reason why they were confiscating it?

I've brought back many edged weapons from the Philippines and even declared all of them on the customs forms without an issue.

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They said it was illegal to import such things...Bummer.

[molonlabe]

This begs to be posted.

[Rattlesnake46319]

SCAR, great info!

[Punchabearinnamouf]

Some of those techniques looked a lot like Wing Chun butterfly swords. That's probably what Bruce Lee used in the clip from Enter the Dragon in the first video from the OP, cause he studied Wing Chun for many years before coming to the US and developing Jeet Kun Do
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Just guys practicing the form, but you'll see what I mean.

[lx1x]

Punch.. Bruce lee learn from his trusted friend Dan inosanto which is all Kali/arnis style. Bust most of his style is win chun

[fivepointstar]

Punch.. Bruce lee learn from his trusted friend Dan inosanto which is all Kali/arnis style. Bust most of his style is win chun

Correct amundo....IIRC it was kali kali that Bruce credited to Dan.

[BadShot25]

Carlos Patalinghug at Kick Connection in Pasadena teaches eskrima. Here's a video of his brother (a priest) and him with his students. This was taken in towson.
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Here's a little exhibition down at arundel mills.

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[lx1x]

Carlos Patalinghug at Kick Connection in Pasadena teaches eskrima. Here's a video of his brother (a priest) and him with his students. This was taken in towson.

Here's a little exhibition down at arundel mills.

no kidding!! my best friend was thought by mr. carlos and his brother (forgot his name... but heard he went become a priest?).. they are great people.. i went to an exhibition way back then w/ my friend in baltimore.. they always put a good show.. dont know if my friend still goes there (d.castro).

[Punchabearinnamouf]

Punch.. Bruce lee learn from his trusted friend Dan inosanto which is all Kali/arnis style. Bust most of his style is win chun

Correct amundo....IIRC it was kali kali that Bruce credited to Dan.

Ah ok. Good to know. Didn't know that he did any of that particular style. :thumbsup:

[jzarrabi]

wow the guy in the second video is amazingly fast, there are a few more videos of him on youtube and even though he is probably 5 feet tall i bet hed kick most peoples asses! :innocent0

[FrankOceanXray]

This substantiates the 21 foot drill.

When it comes to handgun training, make sure you cam come fro
the holster to a shot on target FAST! MSGT Paul Howe has a standard of < 2 seconds taught in his pistol courses. Something easy to train at home, dry fire. I especially consider this with my current employment as a necessary skill.

Once a trained knife fighter gets to you, the warm tingly sensation may well be your own blood.

[photoracer]

I have a lot of respect for Philippine fighting techniques. Prior to being stationed there I was corraled into being an advanced edge weapon instructor part time for what later because Spec Ops forces (mainly SEALS then). I had developed many of these techniques while growing up in the Hispanic side of a SW city that was notorious in the TV program COPS. I was introduced to Judo by Sam Allred (MA HOF member), who was my JHS science teacher. By the time I joined the USN in 1966 I had perfected many one off techniques on my own. A medical condition prevented me from becoming a SEAL so I went into the spook branch. While training on Treasure Island (SF Bay) I was reluctantly dragged into a match on knife fighting against the senior instructor for the UDT/SEAL group. I "killed" him 3 straight times. Didn't matter whether he was armed or not. After that some of the students wanted to learn some of my techniques so I started a voluntary part time class on weekends. I was then sent to USCOMMSTA San Miguel, Philippines as my next duty station. There I found a dojo and started taking instruction from a local sensei of Japanese Karate named Fernandez. We exchanged many techniques and there I learned my initial techniques with the balisong, which for years after became my blade of choice. From there I developed new methods of using the balisong, including faster opening techniques. When I moved to MD I started taking Wu-Shu with the Lin brothers in the 70's (Dennis Brown was a student-instructor then) concentrating mostly on Chinese weapon techniques. I loved going to Maryland gun shows over the years and demonstrating many of these knife techniques. Unfortunately over the years MD has put the balisong on the prohibited carry list. Now gun shows are the only place I can do this. That along with arthritis in my left hand anyway.
But I really loved my time in the Philippines, especially the people.

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Welcome...

Glad you had a great time in the PI.

[lx1x]

I have a lot of respect for Philippine fighting techniques. Prior to being stationed there I was corraled into being an advanced edge weapon instructor part time for what later because Spec Ops forces (mainly SEALS then). I had developed many of these techniques while growing up in the Hispanic side of a SW city that was notorious in the TV program COPS. I was introduced to Judo by Sam Allred (MA HOF member), who was my JHS science teacher. By the time I joined the USN in 1966 I had perfected many one off techniques on my own. A medical condition prevented me from becoming a SEAL so I went into the spook branch. While training on Treasure Island (SF Bay) I was reluctantly dragged into a match on knife fighting against the senior instructor for the UDT/SEAL group. I "killed" him 3 straight times. Didn't matter whether he was armed or not. After that some of the students wanted to learn some of my techniques so I started a voluntary part time class on weekends. I was then sent to USCOMMSTA San Miguel, Philippines as my next duty station. There I found a dojo and started taking instruction from a local sensei of Japanese Karate named Fernandez. We exchanged many techniques and there I learned my initial techniques with the balisong, which for years after became my blade of choice. From there I developed new methods of using the balisong, including faster opening techniques. When I moved to MD I started taking Wu-Shu with the Lin brothers in the 70's (Dennis Brown was a student-instructor then) concentrating mostly on Chinese weapon techniques. I loved going to Maryland gun shows over the years and demonstrating many of these knife techniques. Unfortunately over the years MD has put the balisong on the prohibited carry list. Now gun shows are the only place I can do this. That along with arthritis in my left hand anyway.
But I really loved my time in the Philippines, especially the people.


(note to self: dont mess with this photoracer guy :ohnoes:)

welcome to the forum:thumbsup:

[boss66tcode]

This substantiates the 21 foot drill.

When it comes to handgun training, make sure you cam come fro
the holster to a shot on target FAST! MSGT Paul Howe has a standard of < 2 seconds taught in his pistol courses. Something easy to train at home, dry fire. I especially consider this with my current employment as a necessary skill.

Once a trained knife fighter gets to you, the warm tingly sensation may well be your own blood.

+1000 on FOX
Seriously, is there enough interest on this forum to start a informal knife/eskrima group? I am definitely interested. I know bits and pieces, but I can definitely use a refresher - nothing wrong with having an extra edge.

[joemac]

I'd love to get in on this proposed group but I'm down in Southern MD and I'm sure no where close to the action as usual. I started training in Shotokan Karate beginning of this year and would like to supplement it and this stuff looks like a good discipline to know.

[PGTMG]

If you encounter a Filipino knife fighter on the street.....run or shoot b/c you're about to get filleted.

It all comes down to can you run faster scared then they can MAD!;)

[joemac]

Anyone know of a school offering these disciplines in the SOMD area?

[lx1x]

Anyone know of a school offering these disciplines in the SOMD area?

not down where we at.. i've been looking myself..:)

[LastDon]

I'd be interested in a training group. I teach Muay thai at a gym north of Baltimore and might be able to speak with the owner about using the facilities.

[Punchabearinnamouf]

I'd love to get in on this proposed group but I'm down in Southern MD and I'm sure no where close to the action as usual. I started training in Shotokan Karate beginning of this year and would like to supplement it and this stuff looks like a good discipline to know.

I'm in the same boat. I'm trying to learn Kung Fu (Specifically Hung Gar and Wing Chun) but all I have are books, videos, and a friend with some martial arts background.
I'd be interested in the knife fighting if there were some sort of group down here though.