AK Group Build: Thread 4 Parts Kits

[Drmsparks]

Hello,

As part of the AK Build party, we need to get a feel for who needs to buy a parts kit. We may or may not get a deal buying in bulk.

Please post to this thread what type of parts kits you are looking for and we can see what we can do.

The recommended parts kit for this build is the Romanian G kit. It's the cheapest currently out there and of good quality.

If you desire an exotic configuration this kit can be customized with alternative stocks (side or underfolder or AR style or Galil)

If you are in for the build and need a parts kit and are willing to participate in a group buy please post here how many and what type you are looking for.

Once we have a count, we can contact some vendors for pricing.

Thanks,

Dave

[biermkr]

2 Romy-G Kits

[nighthawk2099]

2 Romy-G for me too.

[mch28]

I'd like to build a Polish underfolder, but if the general consensus is the Romy G kit, that's what I'll build.

[2SAM22]

I'd like to build a Polish underfolder, but if the general consensus is the Romy G kit, that's what I'll build.

Either type works for me. I'll buy 1 of either.

[gibby]

1- Romy G kit please

[Numidian]

Honestly, not to spark a panic or anything, but kits are drying up everywhere... I just bought 2 for myself.

My little brother is still looking for one however, so put me down for 1 kit.

[Jas]

1- Romy G

[slayr15]

1 Romy G

[h2u]

1- Romy or whatever we end up going with

[Drmsparks]

There are minimal differences in the build between the various types of AK's.

If you want a specialty type rifle (underfolder etc) there are two primary ways to build the rifle.

1) buy the kit for that rifle.
2) buy the cheap kit you can find and a separate kit for the stock.

Above all build the rifle you want. Don't build a rifle you're not as interested in just because it's simpler. These kits won't be around for ever.

Contemplate this and revise your numbers as appropriate.

The next question is when do we want to buy the kits? Sooner is better but Christmas is coming....

[Numidian]

The next question is when do we want to buy the kits? Sooner is better but Christmas is coming....


This is the biggest reason I think buying kits individually is probably going to be the way to go, but I'm willing to participate in a group buy if one is organized.

[Drmsparks]

Numidian, I agree.

We should buy the parts kits sooner then later.

However, based on earlier discussions, when the build was first suggested, we should buy as much stuff after xmas as possible- several members mentioned money would be tight due to the holidays.

Lets do the parts kit demil after the holidays (because that is when we will all be together and can meet the FFL and order the receivers) and order the compliance kits as well.

I tried the copes web site and can order the romy kits listed at the bottom of the page (114 with FLAT RATE 7.99 shipping regardless of the number ordered. Thats a savings of $8 per member right there)

BTW we are up to 11 romy parts kits, possibly -2 if two members interested in underfolders change to those kits.


I also recieved my classic arms kits today.

Barrels look brand new. Paper wrapped inside, strong lands and grooves, like new chrome shiny. Metal finish eastern block so-so, wood, crappy laminate as typical).

1986 kits, EP "G", kinda sloppy- I'll grind mine off.

All in all excellent condition.

[Numidian]

Doing compliance packages in early January should be fine.

Or if we have enough people interested right now, we could do a buy now and one in January.

[Numidian]

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=123&t=484674

Good deal on an Underfolder kit here

[Jaybeez]

Get the kits now while you still can. Compliance parts will still be available for a long time.

I just got 2 "G" kits from copes, both dated 1978 and in good condition. One has a mismatched bolt and carrier, but i can deal with that. Exellent furniture. Copes has a flat rate of 7.95 for shipping, so in theory you could order 20 kits and have them all shipped for that price.

[biermkr]

Are we doing a group buy on the parts kits or are we on our own?

[gibby]

The DPH Romy kits looked good. How about them?

[Jas]

There are minimal differences in the build between the various types of AK's.

If you want a specialty type rifle (underfolder etc) there are two primary ways to build the rifle.

1) buy the kit for that rifle.
2) buy the cheap kit you can find and a separate kit for the stock.

Above all build the rifle you want. Don't build a rifle you're not as interested in just because it's simpler. These kits won't be around for ever.

Contemplate this and revise your numbers as appropriate.

The next question is when do we want to buy the kits? Sooner is better but Christmas is coming....


I'm good with the Romy, the most I might do is buy a new funiture set down the road.

[Drmsparks]

Are we doing a group buy on the parts kits or are we on our own?

So far we are looking at 11 parts kits.

We have good reviews from both copes, classic arms and ak47s.com

the copes kits are the cheapest at $119 a piece.

With shipping that would be $120.00 a piece.

How soon do we want to order them and how do we want to do the payment?

Dave

p.s. ... They have gone up $5 since yesterday....

[Jas]

How soon do we want to order them and how do we want to do the payment?

Dave

p.s. ... They have gone up $5 since yesterday....


I'm good to go whenever.

[gibby]

Lets do it

[h2u]

I'm in - have cash. Let me know who to send it to and when.

[Drmsparks]

Xjronx,

How are the barrels?

If they look good...we are looking at the romy kits at Copes, and if not, the kits from Classic arms.

Reminder- some kits from copes will not have matching parts.....

I'm willing to collect the money and order the kits. I'd like everyone to say they agree with the purchase and I'll place the order. So far jas, gibby and h2u look like they are in.


Dave

[gibby]

I am definitely in

[Numidian]

I'll post tomorrow for sure one way or the other... I need to hear what my little brother is thinking and he's camping this weekend, hopefully I can get a text through

[h2u]

As long as the barrel isn't a sewer pipe - it will be OK. Come on - it's an AK - if it were perfect, it just wouldn't be right.
With that being said, I just bought a Yugo M90 kit in .223 (unissued and de-milled w/underfolder and chrome barrel marked 1997 :D)

[Jaybeez]

Xjronx,

How are the barrels?

If they look good...we are looking at the romy kits at Copes, and if not, the kits from Classic arms.

Reminder- some kits from copes will not have matching parts.....

I'm willing to collect the money and order the kits. I'd like everyone to say they agree with the purchase and I'll place the order. So far jas, gibby and h2u look like they are in.


Dave

The barrels on the copes kits this week look great, crisp and shiny. The 2 i got last year still had paper in them. They always say 5% will be non matching, its not a big deal to me, i have the headspace gauges and drill press to make anything work.

[sbarber7973]

Count me in for 2 parts kits

[Drmsparks]

Updated:

I'm willing to collect the money and order the kits. I'd like everyone to say they agree with the purchase and I'll place the order. So far:

jas-1
gibby-1
h2u-1
sbarber7973-2

total: 5

Awaiting confirmation:

Biermker (2)
nighthawk (2)
Mch28 (1)
vince (1)
slayr15 (1)
Numidian (1)

Total: 8

max: 13 kits

I plan on calling to confirm pricingand place the order by Wednesday at the latest...


Dave

[slayr15]

i thought we were going to do this after the new year? with christmas and the holidays coming up i might be out of this one . :sad20:

[Drmsparks]

Slayr,

We are going to do the receivers, the demill and the build after the new year. A few of us are getting nervous about the rapid disappearance of existing parts kits and the increasing prices.

We won't be saving much on parts kits by buying bulk (so far just most of the shipping or about $7.00 per order ). But if they run out they run out, and if new kits don't have barrels thats another 50-75$ per AK.

We don't want anyone to miss out on the build because of the holidays!

We can do two separate group buys on parts kits(one before and and after the holidays) and individuals can always buy their own parts kits- some of the members have already bought their kits(I have) and some had them to start with.

Dave

[slayr15]

cool im in after the new year have a new house(settle dec 1) 4 kids and a wife to buy for so i will straped untill after the new year for stuff for myself.

[Numidian]

a wife to buy

Russian mailorder ftw! :lol2::lol2::lol2:

DRM, my bro gets home from camping tomorrow... I'll confirm or deny then

[somoss]

Hello:
I am in for two ak-kits, if it is not too late. Just curious but why was not century's parts kits ($90) not recommnended? condition?
eihter way i am in for two>>

[Drmsparks]

century's kits are up to 133, and have developed a rep for lower quality.

Hence the rush...

http://www.centuryarms.biz/proddetail.asp?prod=KI1019%2DF

prices are a climbing...

BTW, what's md's magazine limit? I noticed the centuries ship with a 20rnd.

[Drmsparks]

Updated:

I'm willing to collect the money and order the kits. I'd like everyone to say they agree with the purchase and I'll place the order. So far:

jas-1
gibby-1
h2u-1
sbarber7973-2
somoss - 2

total: 7

Awaiting confirmation:

Biermker (2)
nighthawk (2)
Mch28 (1)
vince (1)
Numidian (1)

Total: 7

Second buy (after new year)
slayr15 (1)

total : 1

max: 15 kits



I plan on calling to confirm pricing and place the order by Wednesday unless we hear form everyone first

[Numidian]

Limit is 20rd for shipping to MD, unless someone in PA or VA took delivery for us

[Drmsparks]

I was just curious because of the century kits. I am definitely not getting involved in magazine issues or buys. As my understanding goes Md residents cannot bring mags in from out of state. It's a good thing I bought a bunch a long time ago.

Dave

EDIT: classic arms is advertising blems (surface issues only) for $99.00! I'm going to refinish anyway so will probably get one of those. They seem willing to make a bunch of deals, I'm going to see if they will work a price on the good kits...

Still waiting to hear from :

Biermker (2)

Mch28 (1)
vince (1)

for this order....

EDIT: Copes kits have officially disappeared from their website (or at least the link to order them has)

[nighthawk2099]

Shoot.... I'm going to have to back out on this one.... With Christmas coming up and not working a job that offers a bonus, I'm strapped for cash. I'll just have to hope I can grab a kit or two after the New Year.

[nighthawk2099]

I was just curious because of the century kits. I am definitely not getting involved in magazine issues or buys. As my understanding goes Md residents cannot bring mags in from out of state. It's a good thing I bought a bunch a long time ago.

Dave

EDIT: classic arms is advertising blems (surface issues only) for $99.00! I'm going to refinish anyway so will probably get one of those. They seem willing to make a bunch of deals, I'm going to see if they will work a price on the good kits...

Still waiting to hear from :

Biermker (2)
nighthawk (2)
Mch28 (1)
vince (1)

for this order....

Actually, you can not have mags sent to you in MD, but you CAN go to another state, buy/pick them up, and bring them back with you. As long as you take possession OUTSIDE of MD.

[Numidian]

I was just curious because of the century kits. I am definitely not getting involved in magazine issues or buys. As my understanding goes Md residents cannot bring mags in from out of state. It's a good thing I bought a bunch a long time ago.

Dave

EDIT: classic arms is advertising blems (surface issues only) for $99.00! I'm going to refinish anyway so will probably get one of those. They seem willing to make a bunch of deals, I'm going to see if they will work a price on the good kits...

Still waiting to hear from :

Biermker (2)

Mch28 (1)
vince (1)

for this order....

EDIT: Copes kits have officially disappeared from their website (or at least the link to order them has)

I'll take two of the $99 kits :party29::party29:

[biermkr]

I'm in for two! Where are we sending the payment?

[2SAM22]

I'm still good for one

I was just curious because of the century kits. I am definitely not getting involved in magazine issues or buys. As my understanding goes Md residents cannot bring mags in from out of state. It's a good thing I bought a bunch a long time ago.

Dave

EDIT: classic arms is advertising blems (surface issues only) for $99.00! I'm going to refinish anyway so will probably get one of those. They seem willing to make a bunch of deals, I'm going to see if they will work a price on the good kits...

Still waiting to hear from :

Biermker (2)

Mch28 (1)
vince (1)

for this order....

EDIT: Copes kits have officially disappeared from their website (or at least the link to order them has)

[Drmsparks]

I'm willing to collect the money and order the kits. I'd like everyone to say they agree with the purchase and I'll place the order. So far:

jas-1
gibby-1
h2u-1
somoss - 2
Biermker 2
vince - 1

drmsparks (1) blem
Numidian (2) blems
total: 8, 3

Awaiting confirmation:

Mch28 (1)

Total: 1

Second buy (after new year), all maybes....
slayr15 (1)
nighthawk (2)
sbarber7973 (2)

possible (5)



updated

I am going to call classic early tomorrow afternoon. After the order is placed I'll send out an email about payment.

Options are: send me a check and pick it up when you feel like it or come get it and pay in in person (cash)

[h2u]

century's kits are up to 133, and have developed a rep for lower quality.

Hence the rush...

http://www.centuryarms.biz/proddetail.asp?prod=KI1019%2DF

prices are a climbing...

BTW, what's md's magazine limit? I noticed the centuries ship with a 20rnd.


Just as a potential help- if the parts kits have 30rd mags, you can always ship them to my work in VA. Again, you will have to come to my work to get the kits. No need to give up the kits if you don't have to. PM me if you want/need to do this.

[Drmsparks]

Thanks h2u...

I work in chantilly myself (ponder the commute from college park to chantilly and you'll figure out why I'm cranky sometimes....)

I always thought that buying mags out of state and bringing them in was importing and banned by the state. I learned something new today....

Dave

We are going with classic arms I believe....I'll know tomorrow!

[Drmsparks]

Quote:
FINAL TALLY:

jas-1
gibby-1
h2u-1
somoss - 2
Biermker 2
vince - 1

drmsparks (1) blem
Numidian (2) blems
total: 8, 3

Second buy (after new year), all maybes....

slayr15 (1)
nighthawk (2)
sbarber7973 (2)

possible (5)


Call will be placed tomorrow am.

[biermkr]

Eeeexxxxxccceeelllannntt!!!

[buzzzyy]

i'll take two also. thanks

[Drmsparks]

FINAL TALLY:

jas-1
gibby-1
h2u-1
somoss - 2
Biermker 2
vince - 1
buzzzyy - 2

drmsparks (1) blem
Numidian (2) blems
total: 10, 3



Order has been placed!

They knocked $10 off the cost of each full price kit. That's 119.95 plus shipping.

I told them to ship on Monday of next week. By next Wednesday (11/28) I should have possession of the kits and will send out individual emails with the totals including postage.

Step 1 is complete!

[G O B]

I'm new here, I would like to do something in mid Jan. just can't do anything sooner. However I do have a couple barrells stashed so if kits W/O barrells come in I can go that route. (also have a Yugo underfolder W /trunion stashed).

[Numidian]

Order has been placed!

They knocked $10 off the cost of each full price kit. That's 119.95 plus shipping.

I told them to ship on Monday of next week. By next Wednesday (11/28) I should have possession of the kits and will send out individual emails with the totals including postage.

Step 1 is complete!

lol I should have waited the week...would have saved myself $30 compared to these other two kits i just ordered.... Oh well...

[JCB003]

Yeah me too - I had two Romanian G kits just sitting around waiting on some time to build them that I got from Copes a month or so back...I ordered 2 more kits from dpharms - they should arrive tomorrow. I wonder if there will be a difference in the quality. My kits from Copes were in OK shape.

I have got to stay off the AK forums...I keep seeing rifles I like and thinking I should get a kit for the build.

[Drmsparks]

He who waits is lost...remember. I bought two of the classic kits last week. For full price.... I can't even save myself money.

So far I'm planning on:

1 underfolder, custom wood.
1 AK classic, custom wood.

1 tacticool with a flat. ....Galil handguards, ar collapsable stock, saw pistol grip and Iraqi flashhider...

[Jas]

I'm leaning toward tacti-cool myself. I like the saw grip but I'm also checking out the "AK-47 Interchangeable 6 piece Pistol Grip"http://www.parts4ak47.com/ak-47_accessories/product/CAA-UPG47.html also are the recievers milled or stamped I noticed while I was checking out different furniture sets they had kits for both.

[Numidian]

Maybe it's just me, but I think tacticool AK's are just plain fugly (ones covered in rail etc etc)

[Drmsparks]

I didn't mean to imply rails...

If mine has a rail, it will be a single light rail only and a small one at that. I may put an aimpoint on it with the rear sight mount.

By tacticool, I was leaning towards the synthetic fiberglass look. Perhaps EBR would be a better adjective....

[Numidian]

Ok I got ya, I dig some of the all black furniture sets

[smores]

I will probably be in for the 2nd buy, after the new year. I'm broke after finishing my AR, and the gf is on my ass about no more gun stuff.... I'd love to build an AKS-74U but the kits are $650 for a Bulgarian one.

Looks like I'll be building a Romak. At least I can shoot Wolf all day and it won't matter a bit :P

[tpy77]

Cope's is officially out of the Romy kit business. I guess you got yours from Classic. They had the best prices next ro Copes. Not that it matters, but did you notice they had Bulgarian AK bayonets in their unadvertised spacial section for $15 ea.? You can get the Romy bayonets cheaper elsewhere, anyway. One thing for sure, these kits are starting to run out with some dealers. I heard that some Class II FFL's were buying up kits to assemble later
for sale, totally built. When the kits come in from wherever I would be curious to hear what they are like.

[2SAM22]

I'm out on the AK build too. To much going on and not enough room in my gun safe. I need to start buying some ammo too.
Norton - Group buy on some ammo? :innocent0

[h2u]

I heard that some Class II FFL's were buying up kits to assemble later for sale, totally built.

Hal at The Armory is sucking up everything AK- parts kits, manufacturing tools, flats, etc. He is actually going to start building them soon as he has the manufacturer's license.

[Drmsparks]

Well,

Our kits shipped yesterday. They should be here tomorrow.

I also placed an order to be delivered to the Chantilly office for all things that can't be shipped to Maryland :innocent0 10 @ $12.95 each....

I also ordered ammo- 1000 rounds golden tiger and 2 lithuanian battle packs.

I have officially crossed a line- I now have 1400 rounds of ammo for guns I don't own yet......because the price is going up.

I also bought one of the bulgarian bayonets with my first kit's. They do not appear to fit the romy kits but they look cooler and come with sheath and frog.

[Old Salt]

I have built 3 AK-47 kits (including a Polish underfolder and 2 Romanian) and a Bulgarian AK-74. You sort of get addicted. For the price the Romanian kits are the best "bang for the buck". As they say, once you have the basic platform you can pimp them out to your hearts content.

[Numidian]

Well,

Our kits shipped yesterday. They should be here tomorrow.

I also placed an order to be delivered to the Chantilly office for all things that can't be shipped to Maryland :innocent0 10 @ $12.95 each....

I also ordered ammo- 1000 rounds golden tiger and 2 lithuanian battle packs.

I have officially crossed a line- I now have 1400 rounds of ammo for guns I don't own yet......because the price is going up.

I also bought one of the bulgarian bayonets with my first kit's. They do not appear to fit the romy kits but they look cooler and come with sheath and frog.

I've got guys on another site hounding me for pics of the "rusty" kits. So if you wouldn't mind grabbing some pics for me when you get them tomorrow, that'd be awesome :party29:

[Drmsparks]

It's a beautiful sight...

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd200/drmsparks/ak/shebang.jpg

The "Blems"

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd200/drmsparks/ak/blems.jpg

The worst:

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd200/drmsparks/ak/worst.jpg

I had to search really hard to find the blems- they are not labeled as such from classic.

The kits are a mix of late 70's to mid 1980's. Two of the kits had brand new barrels. The only kit with evidence of firing (copper fouling on the muzzle brake) was placed with the blems.

They all look really good. I did not tear apart all the bags and graded the kits solely on the front half.

Individual emails to follow with balance due...

[Drmsparks]

ok,

Everyone should have received a PM about their kits.

As far as distribution goes- I plan on letting everyone choose blindly- luck of the draw.

That said, there are certain requests we can try to accommodate if possible...if you want a certain year we can try to do that.

Dave

[Numidian]

I'll call you tomorrow and work out a pickup.

BTW what do the bolt face/locking lugs and barrels look like on our blems?

[Drmsparks]

They really don't look bad. The one with the copper fouling on the brake looks a little dirty but smooth. It should clean up nicely. There is minor wear on the bolt face.

With the exception of the one with the copper fouling I had a hard time deciding which were the blems.

[turbosc20]

Are those from classic?

[Drmsparks]

Yes they are from classic.

10 regular kits(129), 3 of the surface blems(99)

Dave

[slayr15]

:D got my parts kit today yugo m70b1 fixed stock set from apex nodak spud is out of the yugo m70 b1 receivers :mad54: as this will be a screw build i need to order my screw set and tapco stock and complince parts.

[turbosc20]

Damn, they are out of those receivers??

Here's my M70 kit I got from Apex:

http://phpix.planetb.net/cache/guns/M70s/DSC00902__scaled_512.jpg

And my current project:
http://phpix.planetb.net/cache/guns/Polish%20Tantal%20wz%2088%205.45x39/DSC00863__scaled_512.jpg

[h2u]

Looks like we're all in the same boat. I have an m72 and m90 with no receivers available. I just missed the m90 receiver buy (I'll start looking for these on auction sites) and the m72 is supposed to be coming in January from Nodak.

[turbosc20]

Here's another option, but I don't know what to expect.

http://rapidfire.targetweb.net/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi/agora.cgi?cart_id=7461191.15657*Em3Do7&p_id=02105&xm=on&ppinc=big

I need 3 of these for my M72, M70, and Romanian RPK.

[Numidian]

Got my two blems from Dave! Thanks a lot! Both matching numbers and good bores! Quite awesome! More of yall should have bought the blem kits!

[Drmsparks]

I noticed the blems are gone from the classic site but they still have regular kits....

[Numidian]

I noticed the blems are gone from the classic site but they still have regular kits....

Yea the blems are totally gone... The guys on Pirate bought most of them :lol:

[tpy77]

Here is a new source for Romy AK kits @$110.
https://www.apexgunparts.com/./product_info.php/cPath/21/products_id/538?osCsid=454a378ecddab3e742a5645de1224c71https://www.apexgunparts.com/./product_info.php/cPath/21/products_id/538?osCsid=454a378ecddab3e742a5645de1224c71

[Numidian]

If I had any money in my savings I'd pull it out and put it into those parts kits...turn around and sell them in 6 months for $50 more probably

[slayr15]

Here is a new source for Romy AK kits @$110.
https://www.apexgunparts.com/./product_info.php/cPath/21/products_id/538?osCsid=454a378ecddab3e742a5645de1224c71https://www.apexgunparts.com/./product_info.php/cPath/21/products_id/538?osCsid=454a378ecddab3e742a5645de1224c71

thats were i just got my yugo m70 b1 parts kit from. good service no complaints.

[G O B]

I have a couple new Romy barrells. Is anyone selling cheap kits without barrells?

[tpy77]

I have a couple new Romy barrells. Is anyone selling cheap kits without barrells?

Might check with Copes. I gather they plan to import kits w/O barrels [might have already] when these give out.

[G O B]

Thanks for the tip. I am "gathering". I'm in for a reciever for myself, and one for the wife, will get the rest as the cashflow permits.

[2SAM22]

http://blutube.policeone.com/Clip.aspx?key=B79A0F5446359EA2

I cant get this to embed because its from Blutube, but it is an interesting view, even with the too-loud music.
It is entitled Outtakes of the making of a Christmas present.

[tpy77]

This is off the gunboards.com forum. Considering the extras this is not a bad deal. Most of the Romy kits run about this now, without the extras.
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Centerfire Systems

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We just got in Romanian kits ! The kits are in good condition, matching numbers (No cleaning rod) and are ready to ship. Kits include romanian bayo, sling, and mag pouch. $139.99 . Please call Pam or Jayne when ordering for this special. Pam 1-800-915-3346 or Jayne 1-800-811-4921