Dd214

[novus collectus]

Don, once upon a time a few years ago you showed me a list comparing democrat and republican US legislator's votes on gun bills with the mostly progun rights voters in red. It opened my progun rights Democrat eyes a bit.
Can you get ahold of another list and post one just like it that is updated so I can show other progun rights democrats like me the same type of comparison?

[DD214]

Here is the original post. It should be up to date.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=310&postcount=8

[novus collectus]

Auchi wawa (sp?)!! I forgot it was the Brady's websight. :tdown:

Thanks Don. I will show this to other progun rights dems that think it aint so bad in our party.

[K31]

I will show this to other progun rights dems that think it aint so bad in our party.

Better reserve the phone booth well in advance for your next meeting.

:innocent0

[novus collectus]

Better reserve the phone booth well in advance for your next meeting.

:innocent0
A Superman doing the impossible reference? :D

[K31]

A Superman doing the impossible reference? :D

No, that's a reference to the number of pro-gun rights Democrats [oxymoron alert!]

:D

[novus collectus]

No, that's a reference to the number of pro-gun rights Democrats [oxymoron alert!]

:D

OWW! That hit home.
Good thing though that there are a number of us (no matter how few that are currenty active aside) progun rights dems who do exist. We just have to voice our position in our party more is all.
The number of "reasonable gun control" democrats which can be convinced of the real "reasonableness" of actual laws is probably matched by the somewhat un civic minded pro 2nd or pro RKBA dems in our party. Together they can overwhelm the rampant radical anti gun crowd in the dem party. There is a point where the tide of (dem) public opinion can be reaslized and I can envision it happenning with proper education within our own party.

It is time the gun issue moderates in the dem party realise there is another truth beyond what the extreme position has been feeding us all these years. It happened to some degree in the past few elections, but now is the time to mobilize for the next Dem primaries.

[Deacon51]

It is time the gun issue moderates in the dem party realise there is another truth beyond what the extreme position has been feeding us all these years. It happened to some degree in the past few elections, but now is the time to mobilize for the next Dem primaries.

Isn't that the truth!

There are Pro-Gun Dems, and there are anti-gun republicans. The trick is to keep the issue of gun rights non-partisan. Yes, generally speaking, a republican is more luckily to support gun rights, BUT... lets be real here. We are never going to win as long as we remain, as gun rights groups, vote partisan. We must support the candidate that believes in gun rights, and has a chance to win the election. In some areas of this state, and the nation, that means a Democrat.

I mean come on, the Pro-Gun Democrats even had John Kerry out there bird hunting with a shot gun. The Dem's that know what's going on, no that anti-gun party line is costing them votes. They know that most anti-gun voters do not base there vote on the gun issue, but that just about every pro-gun voter does use the gun issue a a determining factor on who they vote for.

http://www.a2dems.net/

[jpk1md]

The problem with So Called Pro Gun Dems is that they have a tendency to waffle on the 2A when the going gets tough...more so than Republicans...its almost like their embarrassed to be Pro 2A around their Liberal/Socialist Peers.

Take for example in one of the recent Socialist Debates....Richardson was asked about the 2A and that freak with his "Baby"....Richardson is supposed to be a STRONG 2A Supporter but his response was totally limp and he turned grey when he heard the question.

Pro Gun Dems flip flop too much and USUALLY can't be trusted to stick to their guns.....no pun intended.

[Deacon51]

That's because they don't have strong support from within there party.

A good Pro-gun Dem will be more inclined to not act on gun control, where a good pro-gun republican would be all over gun control laws, and even introducing and co-sponsoring RTKBA laws.

Why... given the two have the same views on gun control, do they act so differently? BECAUSE the roots of the party's...

Look, we can support RTKBA republicans all day long and the vote count will wind up being the same. Only if we are able to convert Dems will we get the votes we need in order to protect our rights, and ourselves.

[jpk1md]

That's because they don't have strong support from within there party.

A good Pro-gun Dem will be more inclined to not act on gun control, where a good pro-gun republican would be all over gun control laws, and even introducing and co-sponsoring RTKBA laws.

Why... given the two have the same views on gun control, do they act so differently? BECAUSE the roots of the party's...

Look, we can support RTKBA republicans all day long and the vote count will wind up being the same. Only if we are able to convert Dems will we get the votes we need in order to protect our rights, and ourselves.

I'll concede to a point on that here in Md.

The problem I have with voting for ANY Dem in this state is that even the so called pro gun dems MAY vote ok on 2A they also tend to vote for increases in entitlements, ignoring the Illegal Alien Issue and make Md an AmNASTY State etc etc etc.

I feel that there can be no compromise on this.....voting for a Socialist that happens to say they are Pro 2A is a lose lose situation as far as I'm concerned because while may support you on the 2A for NOW....they are undermining everything else.

[novus collectus]

I'll concede to a point on that here in Md.

The problem I have with voting for ANY Dem in this state is that even the so called pro gun dems MAY vote ok on 2A they also tend to vote for increases in entitlements, ignoring the Illegal Alien Issue and make Md an AmNASTY State etc etc etc.

I feel that there can be no compromise on this.....voting for a Socialist that happens to say they are Pro 2A is a lose lose situation as far as I'm concerned because while may support you on the 2A for NOW....they are undermining everything else.

I am pro choice, pro-gay marriage status in this state, socialist leanings and yet if I lived in AA county I would have voted for Dwyer of all people because of his RKBA and shall issue stance.
My vote for the kook would have been the signal to my party and the vote you may cast for a progun dem may be another message that may be heard, but to a lesser degree maybe.
If we stick with our political status quo in MD, not much will change. I am willing to vote pro gun rights regardless of party affiliation statewise.

[K31]

I mean come on, the Pro-Gun Democrats even had John Kerry out there bird hunting with a shot gun. The Dem's that know what's going on, no that anti-gun party line is costing them votes. They know that most anti-gun voters do not base there vote on the gun issue, but that just about every pro-gun voter does use the gun issue a a determining factor on who they vote for.



No "pro-gun" anybody stuck Kerry in the hunting jacket he otherwise would not be caught dead in. Same goes for Clinton's goose hunt on the eastern shore.

It is, as a matter of fact, a commentary on what anti-gun liberals think of the average gun owners intelligence. "Look at me I'm a good-ole-boy, I won't steal your guns!". It also continues the effort to try to drive a wedge between hunters and non-hunting gun owners and to declare some guns as evil because they have no "sporting" use.

[Deacon51]

I am a pro-choice, pro-civil union, anti-tax, anti-government libertarian...


I don't think Corporations are evil, and I don't think Goverment is good.

I want the right to have an abortion, and I don't think the government should have any say at all in which adult I chose to be my spouse...

I don't think the government should be concerned with what goes on inside anyone's bedroom, or house. I don't like speed cameras, or speed limits... sometimes it's perfectly safe to drive 90 MPH on the beltway, sometime it's not.

[jpk1md]

I am pro choice, pro-gay marriage status in this state, socialist leanings and yet if I lived in AA county I would have voted for Dwyer of all people because of his RKBA and shall issue stance.
My vote for the kook would have been the signal to my party and the vote you may cast for a progun dem may be another message that may be heard, but to a lesser degree maybe.
If we stick with our political status quo in MD, not much will change. I am willing to vote pro gun rights regardless of party affiliation statewise.

Novus, I'm really glad that you personally are willing to step across the aisle and vote for a Republican but unfortunately you are far and above the exception.

Now, with that said even the vast majority of Republicans in Md are not too conservative.....its not like you usually find a Duncan Hunter here in Md so....